Joe Bagadonuts
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So you couldn't agree more with the article yet you disagree with what it says?
I couldn't agree more with this article
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Brilliant article and spot on. Thanks for posting it.
The key thing for the Jazz is to realize that Favors and Hayward are the future and everyone else is secondary. They are the hope to be a truly great team with a legit chance to win it all. Once you accept that, if you do, then the rest all works out.
Everyone else can be traded for better pieces. That is not to say that they HAVE to be traded tomorrow, but they can or you can plan on letting them go when the contract runs out. Save $$$ for Favors, Hayward, and #3 whoever that turns out to be.
That said, I do not really believe it is necessarily wise to implement the changes he proposes next year. The dynamic duo is extremely young and next year will be another huge learning year. I do not think they necessarily should hand the team to them next year. Thus, you can keep others around, especially those with expiring contracts. It means a ho-hum year probably, but one for growth with the Boyz and with Ty. The only exception might be Sap: his trade value is probably max right now and if going to the bench is a problem, trade him ASAP.
The key thing for the Jazz is to realize that Favors and Hayward are the future and everyone else is secondary. They are the hope to be a truly great team with a legit chance to win it all. Once you accept that, if you do, then the rest all works out.
Everyone else can be traded for better pieces. That is not to say that they HAVE to be traded tomorrow, but they can or you can plan on letting them go when the contract runs out. Save $$$ for Favors, Hayward, and #3 whoever that turns out to be.
That said, I do not really believe it is necessarily wise to implement the changes he proposes next year. The dynamic duo is extremely young and next year will be another huge learning year. I do not think they necessarily should hand the team to them next year. Thus, you can keep others around, especially those with expiring contracts. It means a ho-hum year probably, but one for growth with the Boyz and with Ty. The only exception might be Sap: his trade value is probably max right now and if going to the bench is a problem, trade him ASAP.
^^^^ this.
Ok, we'll trade them -- great -- then what? We can a) trade them to a contender looking for more help (who would that be and what are they going to give us besides bad salary and late first rounders?) b) trade them to a team that can absorb salary (again, if a team is in our position, why pick up big salary on "third-option" guys?) or c) let them expire.
While the article raises some interesting points, this guy is advocating AK and Bell as good vetran leaders, CJ as a good defender, AK better offensively than Boozer, and the getting rid of Harris, Jefferson and Millsap (for what?) Who are in the prime of their careers for thechance to take the gamble on betting the farm on two rookies.
Ok, we'll trade them -- great -- then what? We can a) trade them to a contender looking for more help (who would that be and what are they going to give us besides bad salary and late first rounders?) b) trade them to a team that can absorb salary (again, if a team is in our position, why pick up big salary on "third-option" guys?) or c) let them expire.
While the article raises some interesting points, this guy is advocating AK and Bell as good vetran leaders, CJ as a good defender, AK better offensively than Boozer, and the getting rid of Harris, Jefferson and Millsap (for what?) Who are in the prime of their careers for thechance to take the gamble on betting the farm on two rookies.
Yup, and I fully agree with him. Yes, it is a gamble but a reasonable one at this point. The two boyz look like legit candidates to be really really good, good enough to be the nucleus of a contender. Did AJ-Sap-Harris ever look like they could do that? No, too many obvious and fatal flaws that would never let that trio lead us deep into the playoffs. Take a deep breath, make a commitment to those two and look to add the pieces needed to complement them, whoever that may be. It could be guys on the team, or it could be others.
That still doesn't answer what we will do with those guys. Millsap could be traded hypothetically, but though Harris and Jefferson COULD be traded I don't think anyone would like what we would get. Fact is we don't have a PG and Harris isn't exactly hampering anyone's development. We also don't have a center, and though it's not his true position it's better to put a good PF at C rather than some random dude that's subpar simply because he's a "true center".
You trade value for value. You should be able to get something of equal value as to what you are trading. So you trade Sap, who I agree is a very good and very valuable player, for a different very good and very valuable player but one who fits your needs. You seem to imply that if we make a trade we will not get something equal in return but that should not happen.
What I'm saying is that the deals that would give us equal value won't fit our needs. If we're looking at something like Harris + something for Oden and Miller, yeah that may make some sense, assuming we've done something with Jefferson, but when we get value in return it won't be the kind of value we're looking for. What I'm saying is we won't get a more balanced team, financially or talent wise, but we'll be able to make a few lateral moves on both accounts.
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I think it most of our decisions need to hinge on the draft. If we can get a PG then I say we should try to move Harris. I read some where that Dallas is interested in getting him back. We would also have to keep Watson and Price to mentor the Rook. I like Harris but I think he has more value if we could get something for him.
I believe that it is way too soon for everyone to put Favors and Hayward on a pedestal. Milsap and Jefferson are two good even great YOUNG players. We should not move these two. Remember when KOC felt like we had too much depth at the SG position. Well, after trading Brewer, letting Wes and Korver go look at that position now. You can't trade away players because you feel that you have a strength at that postion.
Remember Gordon's career best was against the Denver scrubs. He will be good but lets not get carried away. We should also remember what Sap has given us. He puts his everything out there he was clearly the MVP of our team for this last season. Why would you want to move that? For Favors? He is young and will get better but Milsap is a way better play right now.
I say keep our core as Milsap, Favors, Big Al, Hayward, and Evans then we can build around them. They are all young and talented.
I believe that it is way too soon for everyone to put Favors and Hayward on a pedestal. Milsap and Jefferson are two good even great YOUNG players. We should not move these two. Remember when KOC felt like we had too much depth at the SG position. Well, after trading Brewer, letting Wes and Korver go look at that position now. You can't trade away players because you feel that you have a strength at that postion.
Remember Gordon's career best was against the Denver scrubs. He will be good but lets not get carried away. We should also remember what Sap has given us. He puts his everything out there he was clearly the MVP of our team for this last season. Why would you want to move that? For Favors? He is young and will get better but Milsap is a way better play right now.
I say keep our core as Milsap, Favors, Big Al, Hayward, and Evans then we can build around them. They are all young and talented.
Evans is not apart of the core. He is currently a player who can jump really high, thats it.
