"The Jazz are bound to shoot [Milos] Teodosic an offer sheet."

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ah, name calling. Come on, that's beneath you.

My bad... meant it more endearing like calling a buddy fool.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If your hypothesis is "Euro PGs who come to the NBA late are unsuccessful" then it is up to you to prove. How many have "old PGs" been unsuccessful?

Do you think a 30 year old Tony Parker would have bombed in the NBA?

1- I named several... just this year several guys came over after euro league success and were not good. Satoransky, Delaney, and Rodriguez (who was okayish, but I wouldn't pay him what he got). In the past... Huertas and Prigioni (who were older) there was also Gal Mekel. Navarro was really a SG and he was okay but certainly not worth the mid-level exception.

Prigioni was the most successful, but he's a pretty good defender and was also on super cheap deals... he would not have been worth the MLE. If we got Teo on a reduced salary then hells yeah let's do it.

2- I also believe there is a reason the guys that came over young have been successful... because they are much more talented. It's part of the reason college seniors aren't always the best bets in the NBA. Parker never would have lasted in europe until 30 because he was too good to ignore.

I'm not saying its not possible... Hell Teo may be the guy. I'm saying this is far from a no-brainer and that it's never been done with a great degree of success. Taking a gamble at what may be our biggest position of need with important cap space.

Add in that it usually takes euro players some time to adjust... they play far fewer games... and the guy is over 30.. he doesn't strike me as a role player type of personality. For BKN, Philly, or other teams with loads of space and a need to generate interest he could be a great signing. For us it's proceed with extreme caution.

 

[Joncolton]

Sabonis was the best center in Europe. Milos is the best point guard in Europe. He'll do fine. He won't be Chris Paul, but I think he will equal or more likely surpass the production of Shelvin Mack.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sabonis was the best center in Europe. Milos is the best point guard in Europe. He'll do fine. He won't be Chris Paul, but I think he will equal or more likely surpass the production of Shelvin Mack.

I would hope he would be better than shelvin. I don't think shelvin is worth the money being talked about for Milos though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sabonis was the best center in Europe. Milos is the best point guard in Europe. He'll do fine. He won't be Chris Paul, but I think he will equal or more likely surpass the production of Shelvin Mack.

Would you give mack 3 years 24 M

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke brought up one scenario... we have excess cap space we could use on an international player that would serve as a signing bonus. We could sign him to a 2 year 11m deal and give him a 7M bonus for last year that doesn't affect our situation next year. So if a scenario like that comes up then sure let's try it out... much less risky than 3/24-30. And much more tradeable/stretchable if it fails in some form or fashion. Could also do like 9 M bonus... 8 M next year and a mutual opt out for the following year to protect everyone. One year 17 M guaranteed? Tough to pass up and Europe would be waiting for him if he flamed out.

 

[Joncolton]

Locke brought up one scenario... we have excess cap space we could use on an international player that would serve as a signing bonus. We could sign him to a 2 year 11m deal and give him a 7M bonus for last year that doesn't affect our situation next year. So if a scenario like that comes up then sure let's try it out... much less risky than 3/24-30. And much more tradeable/stretchable if it fails in some form or fashion. Could also do like 9 M bonus... 8 M next year and a mutual opt out for the following year to protect everyone. One year 17 M guaranteed? Tough to pass up and Europe would be waiting for him if he flamed out.

That's not a bad idea at all IMO. Though Locke seemed to be hinting towards someone who would entice Hayward to sign with Utah. I seem to recall he mentioned Damian Lillard, Ricky Rubio and Goran Dragic as possibilities. For the purposes of attracting Hayward, I'm not sure that Milos is that guy. Then again, maybe he is. Who knows?

 

[infection]

That's not a bad idea at all IMO. Though Locke seemed to be hinting towards someone who would entice Hayward to sign with Utah. I seem to recall he mentioned Damian Lillard, Ricky Rubio and Goran Dragic as possibilities. For the purposes of attracting Hayward, I'm not sure that Milos is that guy. Then again, maybe he is. Who knows?

I could see all of those other guys being possibilities but how would Lillard be a possibility?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's not a bad idea at all IMO. Though Locke seemed to be hinting towards someone who would entice Hayward to sign with Utah. I seem to recall he mentioned Damian Lillard, Ricky Rubio and Goran Dragic as possibilities. For the purposes of attracting Hayward, I'm not sure that Milos is that guy. Then again, maybe he is. Who knows?

Rubio is the only one I see as plausible unless we made a huge offer the others aren't coming. I wouldn't see it as the convincing plan A... more of a we have a backup plan should Hill not stay. I think Hills market takes a hit... Sacramento gets a pg in draft... I don't think BKN makes The Godfather offer and philly likely chases holiday... maybe drafts monk... but the megamax for Hill might hamper their ability to keep their group together.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Locke brought up one scenario... we have excess cap space we could use on an international player that would serve as a signing bonus. We could sign him to a 2 year 11m deal and give him a 7M bonus for last year that doesn't affect our situation next year. So if a scenario like that comes up then sure let's try it out... much less risky than 3/24-30. And much more tradeable/stretchable if it fails in some form or fashion. Could also do like 9 M bonus... 8 M next year and a mutual opt out for the following year to protect everyone. One year 17 M guaranteed? Tough to pass up and Europe would be waiting for him if he flamed out.

A signing bonus is paid up front (as the name indicates) and for salary cap purposes, is averaged out over the length of the contract.

 

[Joncolton]

I could see all of those other guys being possibilities but how would Lillard be a possibility?

Blazers are committed to 138 million in salary for next season - for a team that barely made the playoffs, and have 3 first round draft picks this year. Something has got to give. CJ McCollum (25) is younger and a better defender than Lillard (27 in July). It's not unlikely that the Blazers move Lillard this summer. What is unlikely is that the Jazz have the best offer on the table for him. Especially with Paul George potentially on the move, not to mention Carmelo Anthony, Jimmy Butler, Jahill Okafor, Brook Lopez, Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Wilson Chandler, Ricky Rubio, etc.

On the other hand, Portland has shown a fascination with players on the Jazz roster before, so who knows!?

 

[David Stern]

Blazers are committed to 138 million in salary for next season - for a team that barely made the playoffs, and have 3 first round draft picks this year. Something has got to give. CJ McCollum (25) is younger and a better defender than Lillard (27 in July). It's not unlikely that the Blazers move Lillard this summer. What is unlikely is that the Jazz have the best offer on the table for him. Especially with Paul George potentially on the move, not to mention Carmelo Anthony, Jimmy Butler, Jahill Okafor, Brook Lopez, Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Wilson Chandler, Ricky Rubio, etc.

On the other hand, Portland has shown a fascination with players on the Jazz roster before, so who knows!?

We're legit contenders with Lillard. Problem is that we're gonna have to take a terrible contract back to get him.