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US Pulling Out of Paris Climate Accord

Most necessities of life are subsidized with incentives or tax breaks. I am sure most people on here have a mortgage and we all get a tax credit when we buy a home and we can write off housing expenses.

So don't complain about them unless you can survive without food, energy, and housing.
 
Also [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION] keeps talking about how a "free market" should take care of climate change.

The problem is that energy/utilities is NOT a free market. It's the EXACT opposite.

Every State has a utility that is a MONOPOLY. An example in Utah: If you're not homeless you pay an electric bill. And you have no other choice but to pay Rocky Mountain Power...and the rates that they tell you. You're stuck. Totally opposite of a free market, and they keep buying coal and pulluting Utah's air. And there isn't much you can do about it.
 
Bulletproof said:
I'm absolutely not an expert, but they don't work the same.

A subsidy would say something like "Produce 100,000 barrels of oil and you will be paid a $1,000,000 subsidy." As opposed to a tax break that would read like "Profits from your first 100,000 barrels of oil will be tax free."

One is a direct payment for production, which can offset losses on production if the price per barrel of oil drops. It helps to guarantee domestic production of a vital resource despite market forces that might make doing so otherwise unprofitable. The tax break allows a company to keep a larger portion of their profits. But of course, they need to be making profits on their production for that to matter.

One is a payment for production, independent of profits of losses. The other is a reduction of taxes paid on profits.

In many cases it might all come out the same, but in other cases it could be a BIG difference.
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I agree but like I quoted in the article they have the same effect. A tax credit or a direct payment is just money that was essentially owed or payed directly.

Did you not even read the quote before you responded?
 
The Thriller said:
No, they aren't. California's population is exploding. The reason why it's so expensive to live there is because real estate is in such high demand. Econ 101.

It ranks in the top 15 for per capita income (along with most blue states) and top 5 in median household income.

Furthermore, California's economy is strong. Right now it's in the top 10 in the world at $2.5 trillion GDP and 5 percent unemployment.

Compare that to the Netherlands, whose GDP is $865 billion and a higher unemployment rate, 6.2 percent.

But if want to know how red states are doing, google Kansas, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma. Their deficits have led to the shutting down of public schools, inability to build infrastructure, and an intellectual vacuum as those who can have already left. Trickle down is failing in those states!

Get enough education for one day Dutch?
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The right's mythology about California and other blue states is stunning. But the right is used to strong beliefs in myths...
 
The Thriller said:
No, they aren't. California's population is exploding. The reason why it's so expensive to live there is because real estate is in such high demand. Econ 101.

It ranks in the top 15 for per capita income (along with most blue states) and top 5 in median household income.

Furthermore, California's economy is strong. Right now it's in the top 10 in the world at $2.5 trillion GDP and 5 percent unemployment.

Compare that to the Netherlands, whose GDP is $865 billion and a higher unemployment rate, 6.2 percent.

But if want to know how red states are doing, google Kansas, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma. Their deficits have led to the shutting down of public schools, inability to build infrastructure, and an intellectual vacuum as those who can have already left. Trickle down is failing in those states!

Get enough education for one day Dutch?
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To be fair it is largely government's fault that housing is so expensive in California. It's not a left right issue it is a nimby vs development issue. Most people in this country are complete assholes. They buy a home and then do everything in their power to stop others from doing the same.
 
Beantown said:
Please post a link that shows how a farmer or rancher doesn't receive some incentive.

Please post a link where an energy producer doesn't receive an incentive.
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So if I eat food out of my garden, where was the subsidy? If I get it at a farmers market, where's the subsidy? Oh and just for your knowledge, there are plenty of farmers who don't take/receive any subsidy help. You also won't see any rancher getting help when the prices are low. Only time ranchers get subsidies are in the case of natural disaster, and that ain't often. As for links, most states have a list of every farmer who takes government money on there. You'll notice that not all farmers are on there.
 
JustTheTip said:
So if I eat food out of my garden, where was the subsidy? If I get it at a farmers market, where's the subsidy? Oh and just for your knowledge, there are plenty of farmers who don't take/receive any subsidy help. You also won't see any rancher getting help when the prices are low. Only time ranchers get subsidies are in the case of natural disaster, and that ain't often. As for links, most states have a list of every farmer who takes government money on there. You'll notice that not all farmers are on there.
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#1. Like I said there are tax incentives for owning a home/land, where that food in your garden came from

#2. There are many incentives out there for small organic farmers...then you buy that food at the farmers market.

#3. Tons of incentives out there for ranchers being able to graze their cattle on public lands.


You will never be able to prove that food, housing and energy is a free market.
 
Beantown said:
#1. Like I said there are tax incentives for owning a home/land, where that food in your garden came from

#2. There are many incentives out there for small organic farmers...then you buy that food at the farmers market.

#3. Tons of incentives out there for ranchers being able to graze their cattle on public lands.


You will never be able to prove that food, housing and energy is a free market.
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but it should be!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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