Another somewhat convoluted proposal

[fishonjazz]

Another thing to remember in this discussion..... basketball players have homes in other cities quite often. The offseason is quite large Aves during the season you travel a lot and are not even home much.

And btw, the original proposal had nothing to do with what city a player lives in.... just what team a player would have to play for.

So if you we forced to play for Minnesota you could live elswhere.

Also most basketball players only play pro bball for like a 1/7 of their lifespan or less.

It's just really not that big of a deal.

 

[fishonjazz]

Having rules you don't like is far different than forcing a player to live in a certain place. If you can't comprehend that, then wow.

Interesting how people who make lots of money can have different rules than other people and you're ok with it in this regard.

I can't beleive that you are ok with the fact that nba players are currently forced to play for a team located in 1 of 30 cities.
What about the players who want to play for a team located in Honolulu?

Crap, I'm all sad for those players now. It's just not fair.

 

[Rubashov]

I can't beleive that you are ok with the fact that nba players are currently forced to play for a team located in 1 of 30 cities.
What about the players who want to play for a team located in Honolulu?

Crap, I'm all sad for those players now. It's just not fair.

Excellent point, frankly somebody should look into it, the Congress? the Senate? maybe the UN? Its an unspeakable cruelty.



Where's my yogurt?

 

[RandyForRubio]

I don't think you guys are understanding. You're ok with people's rights being taken away because they make a lot of money. That's what this boils down to. Sure they'd still have a nice lifestyle, which they already have, they'd just have less rights than they already do. It's the principal of the idea that matters.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think you guys are understanding. You're ok with people's rights being taken away because they make a lot of money. That's what this boils down to. Sure they'd still have a nice lifestyle, which they already have, they'd just have less rights than they already do. It's the principal of the idea that matters.

I disagree that their rights would be taken away. What right are they losing again?

Btw right now people have the right to get an abortion. Many people are ok with taking those rights away. Rights get taken away all the time. This would really be no big deal.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also rookies entering the nba don't get to choose where they play for the first 7 or so years of their careers. Poor guys.

Plus even If players didn't get to choose which team they play for then they could simply act like malcontents and force a trade anyway..... like they already do.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think you guys are understanding. You're ok with people's rights being taken away because they make a lot of money. That's what this boils down to. Sure they'd still have a nice lifestyle, which they already have, they'd just have less rights than they already do. It's the principal of the idea that matters.

I don't think you are understanding. I'm not saying that I think that they shouldn't get to choose where they play basketball. I'm not saying I want that to happen.
But we both agree if that were the case then they would still have a better lifestyle than a huge percentage of the other humans living on this planet. That's why I wouldn't feel sorry for them.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm against players being forced to play in a particular city. I think they should have the choice of free agency.
I think it would be wrong to take that choice away.

However if it happened I wouldn't feel sorry for them and would gladly take their place.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I'm against players being forced to play in a particular city. I think they should have the choice of free agency.
I think it would be wrong to take that choice away.

However if it happened I wouldn't feel sorry for them and would gladly take their place.

Idk. Generally if I think something is wrong, I feel sorry for those who have to go through that wrong. Doesn't matter if they're rich or not.

 

[fishonjazz]

Idk. Generally if I think something is wrong, I feel sorry for those who have to go through that wrong. Doesn't matter if they're rich or not.

For me it isn't about being rich. It's about looking at the overall big picture for a person's situation to determine if I feel sorry for them.

Would it suck if they couldn't pick which team they play for? Sure. Does that negative outweigh all the positives in their situation? Not even close. There are so many perks to being an nba basketball player that one negative isn't enough to outweigh all the positives to where I would feel sorry for them.

Like I said before..... do you feel sorry for kids coming out of college who get drafted without having a say in where they get drafted? I don't, I'm actually happy for them and I think they are usually quite happy when they get drafted.

Also players get traded to other teams without their choice being exercised all the time. I bet wiggins was stoked to find that cleveland had the #1 pick and he would be playing for a contender and playing with and learning from lebron.
I bet he is living a happy life even though he is in Minnesota and wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for him.


So there are two situations where it already happens that guys don't get to choice who they play for.

 

[JimLes]

I don't think you guys are understanding. You're ok with people's rights being taken away because they make a lot of money.

Yes. They already have fewer rights and it seems fine. There's a draft. You don't get to choose who you play for. The trade-off is that you get obscene amounts of guaranteed money for 3 years.

 

[Siro]

The right to choose where you work, within reason. Without it, they're essentially well paid slaves we trot out for entertainment.

I don't really see it that way. For example, if I was offered a job on the stipulation that I spend months at a time working at whichever city I'm needed in, then I'd either accept it or I don't. I wouldn't consider that company's business model a violation of my basic human rights.

The difference in the NBA is that it is a partnership between two organizations. Not simply one of an employer and an employee. And one kind of model might benefit one party at the expense of the other. Regardless of what is good for the sport, we have competing interests at hand.

But I don't oppose it on an ideal.