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stitches said:
I think you can do it with Rudy on the roster... but he will have to be in on it. He will have to know we are not fighting for anything but losses this year and you have to assure him it's going to be just this one year. You'd be surprised just how many games we can lose with 4 rookies+Bolomboy getting 20+ minutes of play and Dante having free go at the offense and turning it over on 25% of his possessions.
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I don't think you can bridle Rudy's spirit... I also think a true tank needs several bites at the apple. Saying we get the long term partner in the first year is assuming success that isn't there.

I just saw Dante using that many possessions in game one and needing oxygen on the sidelines.

It'd be tough for Rudy to buy in... they only have so many years. I think we'd be the Denver Nuggets post Carmelo, but more likeable. It wouldn't be too awful.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Tony Jones indicated that this doesn't mean we wouldn't re-sign Hill. It makes sense because both guys can guard 2s.

I think he is the only established guy we can get that wouldn't make it a forgone conclusion that Hill is gone. If Hayward left and we wanted to tank we could send Beverly to many teams (12 called) and get the equivalent of the OKC pick back. It's a great move for us.

I do think it is the OKC pick they would want because I don't think they'd want the cap hold this year. Second round picks have different cap holds iirc... so maybe they want #42.

Second rounders are really valuable supposedly this year.
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We cannot fit them both under the luxury tax.

Hayward 30M
Hill??(how much do you think he will cost? 20m? 25?) Lets say for calculation sake 20
Favors 12M
JJ 10.5
Burks 11
Gobert 21.5
Exum 5
Hood 2.5
Lyles 2.5
Diaw 7.5
Ingles ???10???
Neto 1.5
Bolomboy 1.5
2 first round picks 3M
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138.5M

Lets say you dump Burks somehow and you just get rid off Diaw's non-guaranteed contract. this comes to 120M. If you take on Beverley's contract you get into luxury tax.
 
I don't hate the idea, but there's no way he makes us any better. I wouldn't mind him as a starting PG if we can get some more star power in
 
View Bev as a combo guard and this trade is easier to understand. He's played off ball a lot. If he took all of Hood's minutes last year are we better or worse?

Honestly I think they are crazy to give up that guy... he is a mother effer.
 
David Stern said:
I don't hate the idea, but there's no way he makes us any better. I wouldn't mind him as a starting PG if we can get some more star power in
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I think he makes us more dangerous in the playoffs. When we need to have numerous wing defenders against Houston or GS or San Antonio, he's a nice guy to have. Hill is a great all around player, but his defense didn't impress me this year. I know he might have been a bit hobbled, but it's always nice to have multiple options for perimeter defense.
 
stitches said:
We cannot fit them both under the luxury tax.

Hayward 30M
Hill??(how much do you think he will cost? 20m? 25?) Lets say for calculation sake 20
Favors 12M
JJ 10.5
Burks 11
Gobert 21.5
Exum 5
Hood 2.5
Lyles 2.5
Diaw 7.5
Ingles ???10???
Neto 1.5
Bolomboy 1.5
2 first round picks 3M
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138.5M

Lets say you dump Burks somehow and you just get rid off Diaw's non-guaranteed contract. this comes to 120M. If you take on Beverley's contract you get into luxury tax.
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Diaw doesn't come back at that number. He might even be used in this trade.

Burks can be offloaded and i think fairly easily. Favs can and likely is moved for a lower salary.

I expect us to pay luxury tax for a year here and there... this would be the year to do it. We have been at the salary floor for a while... time to reach into the coffers.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think you can bridle Rudy's spirit... I also think a true tank needs several bites at the apple. Saying we get the long term partner in the first year is assuming success that isn't there.

I just saw Dante using that many possessions in game one and needing oxygen on the sidelines.

It'd be tough for Rudy to buy in... they only have so many years. I think we'd be the Denver Nuggets post Carmelo, but more likeable. It wouldn't be too awful.
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I disagree on the last statement - this is the worst state we can be in(barring a BKN situation). This is pure and utter hopelessness and helplessness. You cannot get bad enough to luck out on a star in the draft and you cannot be good enough to really do damage in the playoffs... This is the situation I would most hate if we lost Hayward and unfortunately I think it's probably the situation DL is most likely to put us in. They won't tank... and they won't clean up the roster... they will simply try to patch things up with players in their late 20's early 30s whose contracts will be getting worse and worse with every single day, while their play diminishes and while we are wasting the years both of the team and of Rudy. I truly hate this prospect.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Diaw doesn't come back at that number. He might even be used in this trade.

Burks can be offloaded and i think fairly easily. Favs can and likely is moved for a lower salary.

I expect us to pay luxury tax for a year here and there... this would be the year to do it. We have been at the salary floor for a while... time to reach into the coffers.
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I assumed we get rid off Burks and Diaw for no returning money - we are still in the luxury tax if we take Beverley.
 
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