I agree it is. But it's a trap they'd be smart to avoid. Instead of going "that is a disaster!" Say "we appreciate his efforts to improve x, but we feel that y is better and here's why".
They're becoming the Rs under Obama. Don't do it lol
Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
I agree it is. But it's a trap they'd be smart to avoid. Instead of going "that is a disaster!" Say "we appreciate his efforts to improve x, but we feel that y is better and here's why".
They're becoming the Rs under Obama. Don't do it lol
Red
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The Washington Post has published an investigative report today, detailing, as the title states "Obama's Secret Struggle to Punish Russia for Putin's Election Assault". As far as is known, Trump has not altered these actions and they remain in place:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...utin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.ee4b874e2046
"Early last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides.
Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi*mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race.
But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.
At that point, the outlines of the Russian assault on the U.S. election were increasingly apparent. Hackers with ties to Russian intelligence services had been rummaging through Democratic Party computer networks, as well as some Republican systems, for more than a year. In July, the FBI had opened an investigation of contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. And on July 22, nearly 20,000 emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee were dumped online by WikiLeaks......
......In political terms, Russia’s interference was the crime of the century, an unprecedented and largely successful destabilizing attack on American democracy. It was a case that took almost no time to solve, traced to the Kremlin through cyber-forensics and intelligence on Putin’s involvement. And yet, because of the divergent ways Obama and Trump have handled the matter, Moscow appears unlikely to face proportionate consequences".
Here's is a summary, for those who can't get past the Washington Post paywall:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...n-network-response-kremlin-hacking/422818001/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...utin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.ee4b874e2046
"Early last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides.
Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi*mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race.
But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.
At that point, the outlines of the Russian assault on the U.S. election were increasingly apparent. Hackers with ties to Russian intelligence services had been rummaging through Democratic Party computer networks, as well as some Republican systems, for more than a year. In July, the FBI had opened an investigation of contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. And on July 22, nearly 20,000 emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee were dumped online by WikiLeaks......
......In political terms, Russia’s interference was the crime of the century, an unprecedented and largely successful destabilizing attack on American democracy. It was a case that took almost no time to solve, traced to the Kremlin through cyber-forensics and intelligence on Putin’s involvement. And yet, because of the divergent ways Obama and Trump have handled the matter, Moscow appears unlikely to face proportionate consequences".
Here's is a summary, for those who can't get past the Washington Post paywall:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...n-network-response-kremlin-hacking/422818001/
DutchJazzer
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also, the polls showed that ossof would win! all polls except one had him winning!
yet ossof lost. so there is something wrong with polling! so aproval ratings and such are also broken
yet ossof lost. so there is something wrong with polling! so aproval ratings and such are also broken
Smart dem? A oxymoron
olden_undercover
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This post is an oxymoron.
DutchJazzer
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buddy don't call him a oxymoron, you are the oxymoron
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I love how president Obama has used his Jedi mind tricks to provoke Dump into admitting everything that liberals have been saying for months. Namely:
1. Dump admits that Russia interfered with the election, despite months of his denying it. He seems to confirm what Comey testified, strengthening Comey's testimony. And is now blaming obama for not stopping Putin, essentially admitting that he wouldn't have won without Russia's help. This only strengthens Mueller's case imo.
2. Dump admitted that the health care bill was mean. He seemed angry that Obama used that term to describe the senate bill. He claimed that he used it first, before obama. Essentially undercutting the Trumpcare bill currently up for vote in the senate. Lol
1. Dump admits that Russia interfered with the election, despite months of his denying it. He seems to confirm what Comey testified, strengthening Comey's testimony. And is now blaming obama for not stopping Putin, essentially admitting that he wouldn't have won without Russia's help. This only strengthens Mueller's case imo.
2. Dump admitted that the health care bill was mean. He seemed angry that Obama used that term to describe the senate bill. He claimed that he used it first, before obama. Essentially undercutting the Trumpcare bill currently up for vote in the senate. Lol
None of that strengthens anything as none of it prove collusion. It does not matter if he benefited from it if he didn't assist in it. Proving Russia hacked the election will not overturn it. Only proving that the President assisted in hacking the election will result in action against him.
Yes, he's dumb.
I am against the GOP health push as well. Wrong way to go about it.
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I disagree. I think all of these contradictory tweets and interviews only hurts his credibility and strengthens the case for collusion and obstruction of justice.
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I can't find the post but Stoked you seemed to question whether the massive gains democrats have made in these special elections in deep red districts will continue in the midterms. I'm curious, why? Why would trump's unpopularity influence the special elections but not influence the more moderate and balanced districts?
Because they are 0-5. So they didn't really gain anything. Well maybe a moral victory but that and .50 will buy you a cup of coffee (as the saying goes).
Will that play over into purple areas? Possibly and I'd say probably in some cases.
In GA specifically the Dems threw everything they had at it. Breaking all outside funding records for a special election and they lost.
So I do not really count anything until it happens. Long time between now and the elections in 2018. Every loss now complicates their path then.
Also the GA special election trended the wrong way for Ds. They lost ground from the general election.