Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

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I disagree. I think all of these contradictory tweets and interviews only hurts his credibility and strengthens the case for collusion and obstruction of justice.

only among the rational-thinking from both sides of the political spectrum


unfortunately, I feel there is an element of our population that applauds his audacity and will continue to do so - - for them, it's a sign that he won't easily bend to the will of those who are more thoughtful and circumspect, and they see that as something to cheer about.

 

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I can't find the post but Stoked you seemed to question whether the massive gains democrats have made in these special elections in deep red districts will continue in the midterms. I'm curious, why? Why would trump's unpopularity influence the special elections but not influence the more moderate and balanced districts?

Not saying that it's going to happen but...

They have over a year to convince the right that the Democrats plan to eat their babies. Also, by that time Democrats will be in the final stage of grief, Acceptance.

Republicans show up. Goth makes a comeback. We can only hope that no babies get eaten.

 

[Stoked]

I disagree. I think all of these contradictory tweets and interviews only hurts his credibility and strengthens the case for collusion and obstruction of justice.

only among the rational-thinking from both sides of the political spectrum


unfortunately, I feel there is an element of our population that applauds his audacity and will continue to do so - - for them, it's a sign that he won't easily bend to the will of those who are more thoughtful and circumspect, and they see that as something to cheer about.

The Presidents credibility means didly in this. Nothing. Same with rational thinking. Him being all over the map on twitter and making a fool of himself (he has that down to an art) does not amount to collusion and obstruction. It is entirely possible that he did but until you can prove it...

To quote the movie Training Day. "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove!"

 

[Stoked]

Not saying that it's going to happen but...

They have over a year to convince the right that the Democrats plan to eat their babies. Also, by that time Democrats will be in the final stage of grief-Acceptance.

Republicans show up. Goth makes a comeback. Hopefully no babies get eaten.

And if he continues to get "wins" (Gorsuch, travel ban...) than the Rs will start to rally to him. IMO.

2018 is along way off and the Ds failed to hit on anything so far while the iron was hot.

 

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And if he continues to get "wins" (Gorsuch, travel ban...) than the Rs will start to rally to him. IMO.

2018 is along way off and the Ds failed to hit on anything so far while the iron was hot.

The travel ban wasn't a win. Do you really think a 9-0 decision which rules that Americans with travel visas coming from "banned countries" cannot be detained/stopped is a win?

Why don't you want to focus on his lack of approval rating and how democrats have made major gains in even deep red districts? Focus on that ball first.

 

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Wait a second, how can you claim that democrats "failed" to strike when the iron was hot? They made major gains in the reddest districts in the house. Literally, these have been republican strongholds for over 20 years.

Please explain how losing 15-25 pts in 6 months isn't alarming for republicans sitting in far more moderate and competitive districts?

 

[Stoked]

The travel ban wasn't a win. Do you really think a 9-0 decision which rules that Americans with travel visas coming from "banned countries" cannot be detained/stopped is a win?

Why don't you want to focus on his lack of approval rating and how democrats have made major gains in even deep red districts? Focus on that ball first.

To start with I put win in " for a reason. That is how it will play out among the right to galvanize his base. That ruling also halted all immigrants without a direct connection to the US (marriage, kids, employment...)

I have not dodged his approval rating. It sucks. Horrible. He is tanking hard, making terrible decisions and looks like a fool all over the internet. and the Ds have not picked up a single seat.

Wait a second, how can you claim that democrats "failed" to strike when the iron was hot? They made major gains in the reddest districts in the house. Literally, these have been republican strongholds for over 20 years.

Please explain how losing 15-25 pts in 6 months isn't alarming for republicans sitting in far more moderate and competitive districts?

They failed to gain a single seat. That's not a hard concept! We did great! we out polled our average! Good for them. The seat is in R hands.

Also "they made gains" is like an almost in horseshoes. Until they hit those gains mean nothing.

Why do we keep going over this? I have said the same thing a half dozen times now. It is not complicated. You don't agree, obviously, and that is ok. But my stance hasn't changed.

 

[Deleted member 365]

To start with I put win in " for a reason. That is how it will play out among the right to galvanize his base. That ruling also halted all immigrants without a direct connection to the US (marriage, kids, employment...)

I have not dodged his approval rating. It sucks. Horrible. He is tanking hard, making terrible decisions and looks like a fool all over the internet. and the Ds have not picked up a single seat.



They failed to gain a single seat. That's not a hard concept! We did great! we out polled our average! Good for them. The seat is in R hands.

All you "they made gains" is like an almost in horseshoes. until they hit those gains mean nothing.

Why keep going over this. I have said the same thing a half dozen times now. It is not complicated.

How does it not mean anything when we are talking about the big picture?

Those 5 seats were never expected to go blue let alone be competitive. Those seats were never counted on to flip the power of the house since they've been red for decades.

You're not letting the data drive your thoughts here Stoked. And IMO, I sincerely question whether you're being this obtuse by accident.

Look at the data. As a researcher, I challenge my students to put their preconceived notions away and look at the data. 6 months ago, these deep red seats went republican by 15-25 pts. Today? They are competitve. There is clearly a strong positive relationship between Trump's unpopularity and Democrats gaining pts.

So what happens in the more competitive districts? Do you foresee republicans in competitive districts gaining or losing ground due to Trump's unpopularity (if it stays in the low 30s/40s)?

Cmon. Be honest now.

 

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Wait a second, how can you claim that democrats "failed" to strike when the iron was hot? They made major gains in the reddest districts in the house. Literally, these have been republican strongholds for over 20 years.

Please explain how losing 15-25 pts in 6 months isn't alarming for republicans sitting in far more moderate and competitive districts?

I don't think what you're saying follows.

Just like in a basketball game where your team is down 20 at halftime. The final score has your team lose by 5pts and you claim that you "won" the second half. It doesn't work like that. Since wins and losses are all or nothing, the other team just has to win. Winning by 20% or 5% doesn't change the outcome. So if you're able to easily win by 5% you'll take that all day every day and there is no need to spend more or to try to include more voters so that you can win by 20%. You just go ahead and take the 5% win and move on.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don't think what you're saying follows.

Just like in a basketball game where your team is down 20 at halftime. The final score has your team lose by 5pts and you claim that you "won" the second half. It doesn't work like that. Since wins and losses are all or nothing, the other team just has to win. Winning by 20% or 5% doesn't change the outcome. So if you're able to easily win by 5% you'll take that all day every day and there is no need to spend more or to try to include more voters so that you can win by 20%. You just go ahead and take the 5% win and move on.

Those 5 seats have gone red for decades.

So if republicans lost 15-20 pts in red districts, what happens in those competitive districts that they only won by 5-10 pts? Basic math here. +5-15= ...

I don't think many of you are being honest here.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah, I'm done.

GL to you Bullet.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yeah, I'm done.

GL to you Bullet.

You're done? You're ignoring the data. You didn't even try. I get this type of push back from incoming freshmen who haven't ever had their preconceived notions challenged. Usually, they turn their brains on and see the light instead of ignoring data and digging deeper into their baseless opinions. But shouldn't we allow data to drive our decision making processes? What does the data show for the upcoming 2018 midterms?