People aren't whining. They're expressing their emotions. It's part of being a fan. If you're over it that's cool. But it doesn't mean other people have to be.
Hayward to Boston
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People aren't whining. They're expressing their emotions. It's part of being a fan. If you're over it that's cool. But it doesn't mean other people have to be.
enchilada_style
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I just want to watch a good product on the court I don't really care if that includes Gordon or not. In relationship terms, I think I was only in it for the sex.
Maybe. But Woj is Woj because he never puts out bad info. Assuming Bartlestein didn't tell him the whole story I bet Woj is pissed to have been used like this.
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I tend to think it was much more due to his relationship with Stevens that led to this, and that Gordon was planning to jump ship as soon as Stevens became coach of the Celtics. Read his f'd up article, where he lauds how much the Jazz have meant to his development and his career, and then betrays them because of his connection to Stevens.
Mission Accomplished
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Can I ask all the Gordon Hayward fans to leave now?? This is a Jazz forum we need to rid this place of the filth that has been collecting during the Hayward era. Can we also rid the market of the Hayward media members like the David Lockes of the world that were giving Gordon sloppy kisses everyday. Can we remove the Stayward signs and those of us who didn't want Hayward can we get some type of refund? For having to clean up the drool of the fans that couldn't get enough of this guy.
Actually, Locke's podcast this morning was fairly critical of Hayward.
Jazz Traveler
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I never listen to Locke's podcast, wish they had some type of description or synopsis of key points I could read instead.
Hey guys I am a Boston Celtics fan and I felt the need to give you a view from my perspective after seeing the level of hate that Hayward is receiving. I want to lead this by saying that I think this entire situation is unfortunate for Jazz fans and that my initial reaction would be to bash Hayward too. Free agency is one of the most exciting things in sports but it's also a double edged sword when a great player leaves a model organization. To be completely honest I enjoyed watching the Jazz more than any other Western Conference team last year. Your team plays the game the right way and it was very easy to enjoy the the gritty mentality that Snyder instilled from top to bottom. Game 1 against the LA Clippers is a perfect example of this. I wish your franchise nothing but the best and I hope Gobert develops into a legitimate top tier Superstar. I also want to add that I don't think the Joe Ingles contact is bad for the franchise. Any contending team would be happy to have a player like him.
Anyways I am not coming on here to try and tell everyone not to be angry or agitated with how everything was handled. I simply feel the need to counter with an argument as to why Gordon didn't take an easy road like Durant or LeBron. I have seen this sentiment echoed quite a bit and I think it is a lazy narrative. We obviously know the Stevens factor was important but I also believe that our long term flexibility with draft picks and young talent was the difference maker. Gordon Hayward is clearly not coming to a team that is ready to win a title yet and we don't even a top 10 player on our roster. IT was amazing last season but he's not going to be a perennial top 10 player. Al Horford is a fringe All-Star and probably has two prime years remaining at most. The Celtics needed to sell Gordon on the process of being part of a team that could build itself into a title contender 2 or 3 years down the road. It's easy to hate us right now but our current roster is full of guys that play with a chip on their shoulder. If our team flipped rosters and coaches I am pretty confident in saying that Jazz fans would love their team.
I honestly believe that if your team had our Brooklyn 2018 pick and LA 2018(2-5) then you would have been able to bring him back. I have also seen a lot of people claim that Ainge will use Hayward for 3 years and then bail on him once Tatum + Jaylen hit their prime years. This couldn't be further from the truth. The future development of Tatum and Brown were definitely used as a selling point for Gordon to join us. Continuity is one of the most important priorities for both Stevens and Ainge. Any team that wants to dethrone Golden State in the future is going to need multiple wing players that can play multiple positions at an All-Star level.
I have a lot more I could say but I will stop here. Like I said before, I really hope the Jazz rebound quickly and that this is nothing more than a minor setback. You guys have one of the few organizations that gets it.
Anyways I am not coming on here to try and tell everyone not to be angry or agitated with how everything was handled. I simply feel the need to counter with an argument as to why Gordon didn't take an easy road like Durant or LeBron. I have seen this sentiment echoed quite a bit and I think it is a lazy narrative. We obviously know the Stevens factor was important but I also believe that our long term flexibility with draft picks and young talent was the difference maker. Gordon Hayward is clearly not coming to a team that is ready to win a title yet and we don't even a top 10 player on our roster. IT was amazing last season but he's not going to be a perennial top 10 player. Al Horford is a fringe All-Star and probably has two prime years remaining at most. The Celtics needed to sell Gordon on the process of being part of a team that could build itself into a title contender 2 or 3 years down the road. It's easy to hate us right now but our current roster is full of guys that play with a chip on their shoulder. If our team flipped rosters and coaches I am pretty confident in saying that Jazz fans would love their team.
I honestly believe that if your team had our Brooklyn 2018 pick and LA 2018(2-5) then you would have been able to bring him back. I have also seen a lot of people claim that Ainge will use Hayward for 3 years and then bail on him once Tatum + Jaylen hit their prime years. This couldn't be further from the truth. The future development of Tatum and Brown were definitely used as a selling point for Gordon to join us. Continuity is one of the most important priorities for both Stevens and Ainge. Any team that wants to dethrone Golden State in the future is going to need multiple wing players that can play multiple positions at an All-Star level.
I have a lot more I could say but I will stop here. Like I said before, I really hope the Jazz rebound quickly and that this is nothing more than a minor setback. You guys have one of the few organizations that gets it.
candrew
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Agreed - Locke definitely implied that Hayward lied to Jazz management.
Also a distinct tone of betrayal in his voice when talking about G-Time.
And Locke being Locke, you can pretty much bet he's reflecting the tone of the Jazz FO.
Absurd. Would you be excited to hear that your company is set to bring in a bunch of new employees that might be better than you and will be paid way less money?
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I agree with most of this. I'm really jealous of the assists Boston has and for that reason, don't take this personally, **** you. (Just kidding. Kinda. Too soon, still stings)