Chad Feldheimer
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guard & dominate both Bynum and Gasol single-handedly and be the 2nd coming of Hornacek from 3 point land. Then the Jazz fans would say he is worth half the mid-level exception.
What does Hayward have to do his rookie season to be considered at least a decent pick?
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I think he might be better at putting it on the floor than Matthews and I'm taking a wait and see approach with his shooting. I watched Butler play 3-4 games, all in the tournament. I have no idea if his 29% was from simply missing shots or if he rarely got open looks because he was the focus of the defense. I liked what I saw of him in the tournament and think that he can play, but I just think that Henry or Patterson would have been better picks. He's here now, so let's see what the guy can do. To be considered a decent pick, he simply needs to be part of the rotation by the end of the year. If he's anchored to the bench and looks lost when he plays, ala KouFes, then he's a bust. I'm not putting numbers as a qualifier, just earning Sloan's confidence. That's all he has to do. This season.
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A lot of commentators seem to think Hayward will do that, eh, Blood?
Pacers president Larry Bird said he was interested in Hayward, but was happy when he heard the forward would play for coach Jerry Sloan.
"Couldn't be a better fit for the young man," Bird said. "He's going to enjoy it, and he's going to get an opportunity to play. He (Sloan) loves guys who play hard and have talent." https://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2010-06-24-2011315079_x.htm
"...if anyone in this draft was born to play for Jerry Sloan and the Utah Jazz, it was Gordon Hayward. He probably knows their plays already." https://www.boston.com/sports/baske...0/06/25/from_the_top_its_all_sensible/?page=2
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Do you really have to be so cynical?
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Personally, I think a lot depends on the success of the team and a few of the players drafted after Hayward.
#1 Will we make the playoffs? If so, how far will we go?
#2 Will Boozer stay? Matthews? Korver? Fess?
#3 How good will Millsap be? On the other side, what about our center position?
#4 Deron's attitude, will he hint any more about his satisfaction with "only" signing for 4 years?
#5 How good will Ed Davis, Whiteside, Patterson, Sanders, Babbit, etc who many of us considered drafting? If one really stands out, I'm sure many fans here are going to be pissed.
I think a lot depends on the success of the team because we're seeing the potential of our 2nd best player leave for nothing. I mean, love him or hate him, Boozer was huge for us when healthy. He and Deron helped bring this franchise back to the playoffs. In fact, since the departure of our two HOF players, Boozer and Deron have been our best players. Now, we're about to lose one of them. The 3rd best player is coming off one of the worst sports injuries out there.
This summer we could easily lose out on our best shooter and low post threat. Many see the only gain is the #9 pick, which many hoped would offset the losses. As I believe Chad Ford said a month or so ago, "Greg Monroe might be a nice consolidation prize for a team that might lose Boozer." Our prize is now Gordan Hayward... A 2nd or 3rd string wing to make up for our starting PF allstar...
Which is why I truly don't understand why posters like Darkwing are so cynical. Ok, so maybe a few fans have overreacted at the pick. However, the truths that we're facing are unavoidable and are quite unanswerable at this moment.
This team has some serious questions marks, size, length, inside scoring, not to mention the financial situation, etc.
I don't have any idea what to expect from this team or where they're headed, which is something I haven't faced in a few years now. Basically with Memo, Booz, AK, and Deron, we all knew what to expect. With 2 out of 4 most likely missing to start off the season (and 1 that always seems to miss half the season), there's just a lot of questions regarding this team.
IMO, the one thing he cannot do is play in Orem. If he avoids playing in Orem I'll probably give him a year or two to develop. But playing in Orem will guarantee several posters, radio personalities, and columnists, to bring up the suggestion that he's a bust.
If it comes to that (he playing in Orem), a lot of people are going to be chatting about the ill-use of the #9 pick.
#1 Will we make the playoffs? If so, how far will we go?
#2 Will Boozer stay? Matthews? Korver? Fess?
#3 How good will Millsap be? On the other side, what about our center position?
#4 Deron's attitude, will he hint any more about his satisfaction with "only" signing for 4 years?
#5 How good will Ed Davis, Whiteside, Patterson, Sanders, Babbit, etc who many of us considered drafting? If one really stands out, I'm sure many fans here are going to be pissed.
I think a lot depends on the success of the team because we're seeing the potential of our 2nd best player leave for nothing. I mean, love him or hate him, Boozer was huge for us when healthy. He and Deron helped bring this franchise back to the playoffs. In fact, since the departure of our two HOF players, Boozer and Deron have been our best players. Now, we're about to lose one of them. The 3rd best player is coming off one of the worst sports injuries out there.
This summer we could easily lose out on our best shooter and low post threat. Many see the only gain is the #9 pick, which many hoped would offset the losses. As I believe Chad Ford said a month or so ago, "Greg Monroe might be a nice consolidation prize for a team that might lose Boozer." Our prize is now Gordan Hayward... A 2nd or 3rd string wing to make up for our starting PF allstar...
Which is why I truly don't understand why posters like Darkwing are so cynical. Ok, so maybe a few fans have overreacted at the pick. However, the truths that we're facing are unavoidable and are quite unanswerable at this moment.
This team has some serious questions marks, size, length, inside scoring, not to mention the financial situation, etc.
I don't have any idea what to expect from this team or where they're headed, which is something I haven't faced in a few years now. Basically with Memo, Booz, AK, and Deron, we all knew what to expect. With 2 out of 4 most likely missing to start off the season (and 1 that always seems to miss half the season), there's just a lot of questions regarding this team.
IMO, the one thing he cannot do is play in Orem. If he avoids playing in Orem I'll probably give him a year or two to develop. But playing in Orem will guarantee several posters, radio personalities, and columnists, to bring up the suggestion that he's a bust.
If it comes to that (he playing in Orem), a lot of people are going to be chatting about the ill-use of the #9 pick.
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7StraightIsGreat
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I think if Jazz fans are going to calm down about the Hayward pick, it has more to do with what KOC does from here and less about what Hayward does. I think most Jazz fans like Hayward and see potential in his game, it's just that they are too upset about the passing over of a few bigs to truley see what Hayward can bring to the table.
If KOC spends the rest of the offseason suprising us and making some moves via trade/free agency and somehow we start the season with a couple of bigs not currently on the roster, I think Hayward will be in a position to make Jazz fans very happy. In watching videos on Hayward, I think he's going to fill the "Hornacek" role in the Jazz offense, and I'm not talking about the 3 point shooting. Horny was a MASTER at moving without the ball, coming off of those little curl screens Utah likes to set and hitting those floaters in the lane after coming off the pick. Thing is, I think Hayward can be even more deadly coming off the curl because unlike Horny, I don't think he'll have to settle for floaters. The kid will be able to take it to the rim, which means higher % shots and more trips to the free throw line.
The more I've watched on Hayward, has led me to this conclusion: It's a shame the Jazz didn't already have a strong front line in place when drafting him so us Jazz fans could have given the pick the excitement it deserved. Seriously, if you watch this kid without bias, it's clear to see that he was born to play basketball for the Utah Jazz/Jerry Sloan.
If KOC spends the rest of the offseason suprising us and making some moves via trade/free agency and somehow we start the season with a couple of bigs not currently on the roster, I think Hayward will be in a position to make Jazz fans very happy. In watching videos on Hayward, I think he's going to fill the "Hornacek" role in the Jazz offense, and I'm not talking about the 3 point shooting. Horny was a MASTER at moving without the ball, coming off of those little curl screens Utah likes to set and hitting those floaters in the lane after coming off the pick. Thing is, I think Hayward can be even more deadly coming off the curl because unlike Horny, I don't think he'll have to settle for floaters. The kid will be able to take it to the rim, which means higher % shots and more trips to the free throw line.
The more I've watched on Hayward, has led me to this conclusion: It's a shame the Jazz didn't already have a strong front line in place when drafting him so us Jazz fans could have given the pick the excitement it deserved. Seriously, if you watch this kid without bias, it's clear to see that he was born to play basketball for the Utah Jazz/Jerry Sloan.
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I agree a lot with this.
Now that I've breathed a little and a few days have passed, I'm a little excited to see what Hayward can do. I'm rooting for the kid and hope that he can add a little diversity than Korver. Perhaps even put the ball on the floor and create a little.
However, there's a lot of pressure placed on KOC from here on out. Perhaps a little unfairly, a lot of what KOC does from here on out, working to replace boozer and improve our C position, will reflect on Hayward. I think Hayward not only has pressure to perform himself, but he'll also receive a lot of blame and criticism if this team doesn't do so hot at the other positions. Like if KK/Fess suck and our C position is just disastrous, a lot of people are going to criticism the selection of Hayward (even if he's playing well) for us not drafting a big man (especially if one of the big men are playing well).
The next few months are going to be key.
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My hope for this kid is a cross between horny and harpring (in his good years). It would be fun to have a hard nosed kid to come in and hit the curls and rebound/box out like harp did.
richgates
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I don't see much Harpring in this kid, but he could prove me wrong, but I do see the Hornacek-like stroke from midrange. Plus being 6'8" and having his hops, he shouldn't have a problem getting open looks. I am curious to see how his court vision and ball handling ability gives us more flexibility in the offense. If he can play defense position defense, he should be able to at least make it harder for opposing wings to score because of his size.
seattlejazzfan
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I think we're pretty much saying the same thing here - and Matthews showed how it's done. Play smart, defend, make the open shot, run the floor and you will earn Sloan's confidence and get playing time. While I don't like Hayward as the 9th pick in the draft, he is capable of doing those things. Again, I don't think he's quite as skilled or as gifted athletically as Matthews, but he plays hard and seems to understand how to play.
As you mentioned, if he can do that, his rookie year will be a success.
7StraightIsGreat
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I really see Hayward as AK's replacement, and while I think Gordon will probably always be a liability on Defense (that's why it's so important to build a defensive front court at the 4 and 5 spot), I think he will become everything AK could never be offensively. His midrange game is already better than AK's, his ball handling is already better and I'm willing to bet his court vision is already better and if not, it certainly will be.
Add to that his work ethic and "yes sir" mentality and I think he has the perfect recipe for success in a Jazz system that puts premiums on sharing the ball, moving without the ball and rewarding players who hustle.
So while it may sound strange (especially in this forum) as a Jazz fan, I'm not quite ready to jump off a cliff. There is certainly a hell of a lot of work to be done at the 4 and 5 spot. Maybe too much work to fix everything this offseason. But with that being said, I just don't see Utah heading into the start of the season with KK and Fess as our 2 centers. I've never called for KOC's head, but if he allows that to happen, Utah should fire his *** on the spot.
Add to that his work ethic and "yes sir" mentality and I think he has the perfect recipe for success in a Jazz system that puts premiums on sharing the ball, moving without the ball and rewarding players who hustle.
So while it may sound strange (especially in this forum) as a Jazz fan, I'm not quite ready to jump off a cliff. There is certainly a hell of a lot of work to be done at the 4 and 5 spot. Maybe too much work to fix everything this offseason. But with that being said, I just don't see Utah heading into the start of the season with KK and Fess as our 2 centers. I've never called for KOC's head, but if he allows that to happen, Utah should fire his *** on the spot.