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Ron Mexico said:
There are definitely distinct fields but they can and do overlap sometimes. Strength and conditioning coaches do sports specific training that incorporates skills training. Some do the sport specific training and take a more literal adaption. Others like me take it more general and focus on training the proper energy system, muscle types and so forth for the specific sport, which I think is better.

Sports performance coaches can work with people on drills and those things but the focus will be different. I take a lot of time working on specific movements from an athletes sport but I don't really focus on the skill I focus on the movement and do plyometric drills and other things to reenforce that motor patterning. For example with a football wide receiver I'll have them run routes over and over but we are working in the footwork and movement. Teaching them acceleration Sprint technique, max velocity Sprint technique, 1 step cuts, double cuts, etc. Its also a great time to look for weaknesses.

I don't think people really realize what the difference are between a lot of the coaches/jobs are. Head coach, Skills coach, strength and conditioning coach, sports performance coach, athletic trainer and so on are pretty different jobs. Although sports performance and strength and conditioning overlap and are sometimes interchangeable depending on the program.
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Thanks, that's what I was getting at, although you explained it better.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You said Utah is building something like P3(a strength and conditioning facility that tries to innovate) and that Bryant should be the head of it (which is currently Isaiah Wright's job).
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I said a training facility and didn't explain it well. If it is a basketball training facility (basketball skills), then I would expect Bryant to have heavy involvement. I do understand the difference between strength & conditioning and sports performance training.

I think Hayward did a pretty good job of physical AND skills development by staying in Utah. Has he ever really utilized P3? I could see Utah getting away from P3 and utilizing resources within the organization or the area for strength and conditioning programs. As Ron Mexico explained, much better than I could have, that aspect can be sports specific, or concentrate on motion and footwork, etc.

Certainly having an organization which could provide both would be a huge plus. Not saying it would be year-round, but players would work with Jazz staff for certain stretches of the off-season, have a break and return. There would be accountability. There would be adaptability as coaches could change routines depending on need and progress.

As opposed to, say Trey Burke, who was working out in Washington, I believe and the coaching staff just said he was working hard to improve. Or Hayward a couple of seasons ago who remained in Indiana while a lot of the other Jazz players were working out in Salt Lake.
 
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Jack Strop said:
I said a training facility and didn't explain it well. If it is a basketball training facility (basketball skills), then I would expect Bryant to have heavy involvement. I do understand the difference between strength & conditioning and sports performance training.

I think Hayward did a pretty good job of physical AND skills development by staying in Utah. Has he ever really utilized P3? I could see Utah getting away from P3 and utilizing resources within the organization or the area for strength and conditioning programs. As Ron Mexico explained, much better than I could have, that aspect can be sports specific, or concentrate on motion and footwork, etc.

Certainly having an organization which could provide both would be a huge plus. Not saying it would be year-round, but players would work with Jazz staff for certain stretches of the off-season, have a break and return. There would be accountability. There would be adaptability as coaches could change routines depending on need and progress.

As opposed to, say Trey Burke, who was working out in Washington, I believe and the coaching staff just said he was working hard to improve. Or Hayward a couple of seasons ago who remained in Indiana while a lot of the other Jazz players were working out in Salt Lake.
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A basketball training facility for basketball skills is called a basketball court...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And I dont think all the upgrades they are doing are all that functional in terms of the level of training that will be possible. I think it's more focused on just making things nicer for the players, like the level of convenience and comfort.
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This is true. I've been through the new facilities, seen the plans. It's all about comfort and quality of life.

If you want a good idea of what they are, go check out the University of Utah's facilities. A lot of what the Jazz have done has been taken from Utah's facilities.
 
How amazing are the food/meals the organization provides for players? Sounds stupid but this is one of the many, many things I would look to have at an elite level.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
A basketball training facility for basketball skills is called a basketball court...
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Lol. Yes, I go to the neighborhood courts all the time. I'm sure I'm maximizing my skills development, because, you know, pro coaches are there. I have three of them chasing balls, throwing to me in different spots, providing a little defense, etc. There are also cameras set up so I can then evaluate my performance after practice or before I begin the next day, look at my shooting angle, footwork, etc.

And my best friend, Roger, has helped me set up my routine. He's played some college ball, so I'm sure he's more than adequate. Won't be long, I'm sure, before I'm invited to a training camp. I'm hoping Jazz, but would settle for Suns.

I'll bet this is exactly what Hayward did last summer. Bryant was just his chauffeur, just made sure he woke up every morning. Picked him up in the SUV, with his morning protein shake in hand. They went to any old court where Gordon was dropped off to just shoot by himself.
 
Jack Strop said:
Lol. Yes, I go to the neighborhood courts all the time. I'm sure I'm maximizing my skills development, because, you know, pro coaches are there. I have three of them chasing balls, throwing to me in different spots, providing a little defense, etc. There are also cameras set up so I can then evaluate my performance after practice or before I begin the next day, look at my shooting angle, footwork, etc.

And my best friend, Roger, has helped me set up my routine. He's played some college ball, so I'm sure he's more than adequate. Won't be long, I'm sure, before I'm invited to a training camp. I'm hoping Jazz, but would settle for Suns.

I'll bet this is exactly what Hayward did last summer. Bryant was just his chauffeur, just made sure he woke up every morning. Picked him up in the SUV, with his morning protein shake in hand. They went to any old court where Gordon was dropped off to just shoot by himself.
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The video of Haywood training on "any old court" is on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHrAILm9oqA
 
God, Lonzo and Kuzma are so great together. Lonzo is going to be a special talent.

I probably should have had him #1 overall.
 
Let's see him try to defend Westbrook, Wall and the rest of the great NBA point guards, and have these studs in his face as he tries to run an offense first.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be really good. But people anoint these players far too prematurely.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let's see him try to defend Westbrook, Wall and the rest of the great NBA point guards, and have these studs in his face as he tries to run an offense first.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be really good. But people anoint these players far too prematurely.
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That's why they got KCP.
 
I don't see people disrupting Lonzo's playmaking ability. He is too big and calm. He doesnt need to dribble the air out to make a play.
 
If I was defending the Lakers I would make ball hit a couple 3 pointers before playing him straight up.

If you say off and play the passing lanes he will not be as effective until defenders respect his shot.


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Crocodile Dante said:
If I was defending the Lakers I would make ball hit a couple 3 pointers before playing him straight up.

If you say off and play the passing lanes he will not be as effective until defenders respect his shot.


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Ball is too smart. You give a passer of his quality space and he is going to make a play. He is also a damn good open spot up shooter, so that would be terrible idea.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ball is too smart. You give a passer of his quality space and he is going to make a play. He is also a damn good open spot up shooter, so that would be terrible idea.
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But man is that shot ugly. He def needs to work on his form.
 
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