How should the Jazz organization be run?

[fishonjazz]

He crushed the process when he drafted Jahlil Okafor? Another example of a huge mistake that might hold them back from ever being an elite contender. They could have had Porzingis and Embiid as their starting front line.

Yep.
Okafor, noel, mcw, saric...... plus embiid, simmons, fultz, Timothy lawawou

That's lots of top picks. None of them have done ****. Killed it? They botched it pretty hard so far imo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yep.
Okafor, noel, mcw, saric...... plus embiid, simmons, fultz, Timothy lawawou

That's lots of top picks. None of them have done ****. Killed it? They botched it pretty hard so far imo.

Damn, I forgot he took MCW. That's a big red mark.

 

[Miggs]

Yep.
Okafor, noel, mcw, saric...... plus embiid, simmons, fultz, Timothy lawawou

That's lots of top picks. None of them have done ****. Killed it? They botched it pretty hard so far imo.

What??? Embiid showed last year that if he's healthy, he's an elite center and imo the best center in the league. Simmons will be a stud. If he can be an average shooter he could be Lebronish. Saric played well and improved as the season went along last year. Not sure why you used him as an example.

 

[Miggs]

Per 36 last year, Embiid was 28.7 points, 11.1 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 3.5 blocks, 1.2 steals, 11.2 free throw attempts, 78.3% from the line, and 36.7% from three on 4.5 attempts per game. That's insane. He turns the ball over a lot and needs to work on his inside game a little but the guy can do everything and do it well.

Add in a potential all world player in Simmons and yes, I'd say he crushed it.

It's not about whiffing a few times. It's about setting yourself up right so that when those freak studs are in the draft, you can get them. He did that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What??? Embiid showed last year that if he's healthy, he's an elite center and imo the best center in the league. Simmons will be a stud. If he can be an average shooter he could be Lebronish. Saric played well and improved as the season went along last year. Not sure why you used him as an example.

I mean, if Embiid can never get healthy then that is a draft mistake. It's not like the red flags on his body werent highly advertised.

 

[fishonjazz]

What??? Embiid showed last year that if he's healthy, he's an elite center and imo the best center in the league. Simmons will be a stud. If he can be an average shooter he could be Lebronish. Saric played well and improved as the season went along last year. Not sure why you used him as an example.

I see some ifs and will be's in your post. IF embiid can stay healthy. Pretty big if.
Simmons WILL BE a stud. Maybe, maybe not. It's not like he is a lebron james, AD level dude that's guaranteed to be a star. Dude is afraid to/cant shoot. Kinda big red flag in the nba no?

I mean the worst gm in the world should hit on a couple guys if given a **** load of top ten picks over a decent size span.


So far philly has exactly zero bona-fide healthy stars after all those top picks.

I definitely wouldn't say they nailed it.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Cy's right. And for us, it's probably more crucial than other teams who can get stud free agents.

That said, clear the slate clean and the best path for us would be the Hinkie model. Dude crushed the entire process and got run out of town for it.

I hate, hate, hate the idea of the Jazz tanking. First and foremost because they've already got an extremely young player who's already a Top 20 player in the NBA. You don't pull the rug out from under Rudy at this point and make him suffer through 20 win seasons. The second reason (and I don't think the pro-tank crowd thinks about this enough) is the fact that just because you decide to tank, doesn't mean that there's going to be sure fire superstars waiting for you at the end of horrible season after horrible season. You're never guaranteed that your tank years are going to line-up with a Shaq/Duncan type player and even when it does, are the ping pong balls gonna drop your way?

As a fan, I could sit through multiple years of being the worst team in the NBA if I KNEW that we'd be rewarded with a couple of generational type players to show for it, but the draft is too much of a crapshoot, even for the best GM's in the business. Despite Lindsey's misses in the lottery, he struck gold with Gobert and I think Mitchell is gonna be that D. Wade type of player where 5 years from now people can't believe he wasn't drafted sooner. Hood could still end up being a huge contributor that was drafted in the 20's and I might be in the minority, but I still have pretty big hopes for Exum.

Forget tanking. If Lindsey doesn't have anymore Trey Burke type of draft misses going forward, the Jazz are gonna be just fine. The chances of that may not be great, but they're no worse than the odds of Utah tearing it down on a complete rebuild and striking gold.

 

[Jazzta]

I hate, hate, hate the idea of the Jazz tanking. First and foremost because they've already got an extremely young player who's already a Top 20 player in the NBA. You don't pull the rug out from under Rudy at this point and make him suffer through 20 win seasons. The second reason (and I don't think the pro-tank crowd thinks about this enough) is the fact that just because you decide to tank, doesn't mean that there's going to be sure fire superstars waiting for you at the end of horrible season after horrible season. You're never guaranteed that your tank years are going to line-up with a Shaq/Duncan type player and even when it does, are the ping pong balls gonna drop your way?

As a fan, I could sit through multiple years of being the worst team in the NBA if I KNEW that we'd be rewarded with a couple of generational type players to show for it, but the draft is too much of a crapshoot, even for the best GM's in the business. Despite Lindsey's misses in the lottery, he struck gold with Gobert and I think Mitchell is gonna be that D. Wade type of player where 5 years from now people can't believe he wasn't drafted sooner. Hood could still end up being a huge contributor that was drafted in the 20's and I might be in the minority, but I still have pretty big hopes for Exum.

Forget tanking. If Lindsey doesn't have anymore Trey Burke type of draft misses going forward, the Jazz are gonna be just fine. The chances of that may not be great, but they're no worse than the odds of Utah tearing it down on a complete rebuild and striking gold.

All of this, also Dennis Lindsey had just taken the job when Trey Burke was drafted and Corbin was a big part of this decision.
There's no room for tanking in Gobert's team.

 

[Miggs]

I see some ifs and will be's in your post. IF embiid can stay healthy. Pretty big if.
Simmons WILL BE a stud. Maybe, maybe not. It's not like he is a lebron james, AD level dude that's guaranteed to be a star. Dude is afraid to/cant shoot. Kinda big red flag in the nba no?

I mean the worst gm in the world should hit on a couple guys if given a **** load of top ten picks over a decent size span.


So far philly has exactly zero bona-fide healthy stars after all those top picks.

I definitely wouldn't say they nailed it.

It' not hitting on the players. It's his approach. Suck or don't suck. 25-28 other GM's would've signed middling free agents which would have netted them another 5 wins per year. If the Sixers had done that, they would not have been in a position to get the picks they had, and perhaps would not have gotten Simmons, Embiid, or others.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

S.A is more attractive city to SLC even though they do have some similarities.
As I said Utah best route is European players and local players.Build a family atmosphere like OKC had. Thing about Spurs is the 2 anchors they had are both all time 50 players, Robinson and Duncan. Both number 1 picks. Can't build like them selecting in the 10 to 18 range every year. Sean Elliot was a top 3 pick also.

 

[framer]

How should the Jazz organization be run?

On Twitter, just like the country. . .

 

[framer]

Utah had the stars, but they had enough draft misses in the lottery that set them back, not allowing them to have enough early success to gain the loyalty of Hayward.

If Utah nails the picks that became Kanter, Burks, Exum, and Burke then who are the Jazz? Hell, if Utah just drafted Kawhi Leonard instead of Burks, where are the Jazz? Do they have multiple championships? Does Hayward stay and we have a 3-headed monster of Gobert/Hayward/Leonard?

If Jazz hit on those picks, there really isn't a Gordon Hayward. The only reason he got what he got is because the Jazz really had no other option but to develop him to the extent that we did. We draft a better player, Hayward is developed as a role player, which he pretty much was until two years ago.

The upside to this is that it is possible to develop other high level role players into all stars given the right situation. We could be that right situation, as a general rule. Come on down, Ricky Rubio and Rodney Hood?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Jazz hit on those picks, there really isn't a Gordon Hayward. The only reason he got what he got is because the Jazz really had no other option but to develop him to the extent that we did. We draft a better player, Hayward is developed as a role player, which he pretty much was until two years ago.

The upside to this is that it is possible to develop other high level role players into all stars given the right situation. We could be that right situation, as a general rule. Come on down, Ricky Rubio and Rodney Hood?

I definitely disagree w/ that, at least to an extent. Hayward would never just be a "role player". Hell if we hit on Burke, or got an actual PG, Hayward could have been a much better player earlier. Hayward was really held back by playing w/ Washed up Mo Williams, Burke, then rookie Exum, then Neto/Mack.

More than anything I think the Burke and Exum picks were the ones that hurt the franchise the most (to be fair to Exum/DL the ACL injury might be the thing that has held Exum back up to this point). Not having any kind of PG screwed the Jazz hard. We have spent 5 first round picks trying to find a starting PG (2 traded up for Burke, 1 spent on Exum, 1 spent getting George Hill, and now 1 to get Rubio)

 

[framer]

I definitely disagree w/ that, at least to an extent. Hayward would never just be a "role player". Hell if we hit on Burke, or got an actual PG, Hayward could have been a much better player earlier. Hayward was really held back by playing w/ Washed up Mo Williams, Burke, then rookie Exum, then Neto/Mack.

More than anything I think the Burke and Exum picks were the ones that hurt the franchise the most (to be fair to Exum/DL the ACL injury might be the thing that has held Exum back up to this point). Not having any kind of PG screwed the Jazz hard. We have spent 5 first round picks trying to find a starting PG (2 traded up for Burke, 1 spent on Exum, 1 spent getting George Hill, and now 1 to get Rubio)

Hayward didn't even have a "NBA body" until two years ago. George Hill WAS a great point guard. Hayward left because he could go East and coast. He ADMITTED that the easier path in the East was the big draw. The Jazz couldn't offer that. He was leaving in pretty much any situation save the Jazz upsetting the Warriors, and not because of the team we put around him. It isn't like Hayward was transcendent talent, Jazz put in just as much effort into him as he put into himself. Like I have said, if he had went to Charlotte, he does not become the player he is today.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward didn't even have a "NBA body" until two years ago. George Hill WAS a great point guard. Hayward left because he could go East and coast. He ADMITTED that the easier path in the East was the big draw. The Jazz couldn't offer that. He was leaving in pretty much any situation save the Jazz upsetting the Warriors, and not because of the team we put around him. It isn't like Hayward was transcendent talent, Jazz put in just as much effort into him as he put into himself. Like I have said, if he had went to Charlotte, he does not become the player he is today.

Yes, and George Hill came here and Hayward had his best year. Making the playoffs 1 year out of 7 doesnt get loyalty though.

And again, if the Jazz draft correctly maybe they are the Western Conference power 3 years ago instead of the uprising Warriors. Maybe then KD never even joins the Warriors.

Sure Hayward isnt "transcendent" but just becuase he isnt Lebron doesnt mean he would only be a role player if it wasnt for the Jazz development staff. Guys with as much talent as Hayward work hard and they become great players, it's not rocket science.

 

[Jazzta]

I definitely disagree w/ that, at least to an extent. Hayward would never just be a "role player". Hell if we hit on Burke, or got an actual PG, Hayward could have been a much better player earlier. Hayward was really held back by playing w/ Washed up Mo Williams, Burke, then rookie Exum, then Neto/Mack.

More than anything I think the Burke and Exum picks were the ones that hurt the franchise the most (to be fair to Exum/DL the ACL injury might be the thing that has held Exum back up to this point). Not having any kind of PG screwed the Jazz hard. We have spent 5 first round picks trying to find a starting PG (2 traded up for Burke, 1 spent on Exum, 1 spent getting George Hill, and now 1 to get Rubio)

The all-time Wayward apologist. She's gone Cy, there's lots of other fish in the sea.

 

[silesian]

And every Philly fan was livid when he was fired.

Totally wrong. philly fans were / are split on Hinkie. I live in Philly area and listen to local sports talk.

Now that we have talent and hope, there are more hinkie bandwagonners.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Totally wrong. philly fans were / are split on Hinkie. I live in Philly area and listen to local sports talk.

Now that we have talent and hope, there are more hinkie bandwagonners.

It's like how when an artist passes, their work becomes more appreciated and revered.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

I think that this is a great question.
The Jazz past- The Jazz had always been mentioned in the same name as the Spurs. A team that continuously makes the playoffs against all odds. Of course back then we had Coach Sloan. I would like to believe that we are getting back to that once again with Coach Snyder.

I think that the most ironic thing in the NBA is the agents. More than ever, agents are pushing their players to join large market teams; Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Celtics etc. However, if you were a young talented player in the NBA, or a talented free agent, the Jazz would be the perfect environment for you to win.
We have a great team and a great coach.
Secondly, we have never won a championship. That is actually a good thing if you are looking to build a legendary career. If the Jazz assembled a team that was a championship contender, and they eventually won, the team would have a place in history delivering the first championship to Salt Lake City. I think that a big problem is the mentality of the younger players. It doesn't seem like they have the vision to be something great.
The great players of the past, Malone, Stockton, Jordan, etc. were great not solely because of their athletic ability, but because of their mentality every time they stepped out on the court. If we can get the right group of guys with the right mentality, we would be unstoppable.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

I think that this is a great question.
The Jazz past- The Jazz had always been mentioned in the same name as the Spurs. A team that continuously makes the playoffs against all odds. Of course back then we had Coach Sloan. I would like to believe that we are getting back to that once again with Coach Snyder.

I think that the most ironic thing in the NBA is the agents. More than ever, agents are pushing their players to join large market teams; Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Celtics etc. However, if you were a young talented player in the NBA, or a talented free agent, the Jazz would be the perfect environment for you to win.
We have a great team and a great coach.
Secondly, we have never won a championship. That is actually a good thing if you are looking to build a legendary career. If the Jazz assembled a team that was a championship contender, and they eventually won, the team would have a place in history delivering the first championship to Salt Lake City. I think that a big problem is the mentality of the younger players. It doesn't seem like they have the vision to be something great.
The great players of the past, Malone, Stockton, Jordan, etc. were great not solely because of their athletic ability, but because of their mentality every time they stepped out on the court. If we can get the right group of guys with the right mentality, we would be unstoppable.