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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

Tabasco said:
Are you familiar with the term "at what point does it stop being a coincidence?"
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When the sample is large enough. And according to you that seems to be 4 games.

The team was winning due to unsustainable hot shooting, easy schedule and amazing play by Burks, DM, Jonas, Favors, etc. The offense clicked against bad defenses. Inserting Rudy into the lineup was a big adjustment for everyone but we have also played harder opponents. It seems we overhyped the team a bit. And now that we struggle against good opponents (4 games, 3 loses) you conclude Rudy makes the Jazz worse?. You may have a point in terms of chemistry between DM and Favors but Rudy is the more impactful (and better) player. Give the team some time to figure things out.
 
latin jazz said:
When the sample is large enough. And according to you that seems to be 4 games.

The team was winning due to unsustainable hot shooting, easy schedule and amazing play by Burks, DM, Jonas, Favors, etc. The offense clicked against bad defenses. Inserting Rudy into the lineup was a big adjustment for everyone but we have also played harder opponents. It seems we overhyped the team a bit. And now that we struggle against good opponents (4 games, 3 loses) you conclude Rudy makes the Jazz worse?. You may have a point in terms of chemistry between DM and Favors but Rudy is the more impactful (and better) player. Give the team some time to figure things out.
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One of those opponents was exactly the same though. I'm not defending his point exactly, But it's become pretty obvious to me that Gobert and Rubio don't fit together at all. Rubio fits with Favors okay and I believe Favors can play with Gobert just fine. But our offense is one of the worst in the league when both Gobert and Rubio are on the floor. I'm not sure it's either of their fault except that neither of them are good offensive players.
 
gregbroncs said:
One of those opponents was exactly the same though. I'm not defending his point exactly, But it's become pretty obvious to me that Gobert and Rubio don't fit together at all. Rubio fits with Favors okay and I believe Favors can play with Gobert just fine. But our offense is one of the worst in the league when both Gobert and Rubio are on the floor. I'm not sure it's either of their fault except that neither of them are good offensive players.
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I didn't say anything about Rubio but yeah, he is be a bad fit next to Gobert and Favors. The Rubio/Gobert combo is definitely not what I envisioned when we signed him. The injuries to Hood and JJ are not helping either. We could use as much shooting and playmaking as we can next to Ricky
 
latin jazz said:
When the sample is large enough. And according to you that seems to be 4 games.

The team was winning due to unsustainable hot shooting, easy schedule and amazing play by Burks, DM, Jonas, Favors, etc. The offense clicked against bad defenses. Inserting Rudy into the lineup was a big adjustment for everyone but we have also played harder opponents. It seems we overhyped the team a bit. And now that we struggle against good opponents (4 games, 3 loses) you conclude Rudy makes the Jazz worse?. You may have a point in terms of chemistry between DM and Favors but Rudy is the more impactful (and better) player. Give the team some time to figure things out.
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The sample size is this entire season. Gobert makes the Jazz a worse basketball team overall. His lack of ANY sort of offensive game is killing the Jazz. Add in the fact that even his defense has been crap this year and he's worthless out there. I was especially impressed with the way Steven Adams manhandled him in a game we would have won with Favors on the floor.

Watching the games, you can tell that his teammates don't trust him with the ball. Watch the body language. It's there.

Gobert getting injured this year was both the best and worst thing that could have happened to the Jazz. The best because we got to see how good the jazz can be without a clumsy, lumbering oaf clogging up the lane, and the worst because now that the players have seen and experienced how good they can be, the team chemistry is gone with Gobert back. He needs to go.
 
Tabasco said:
The sample size is this entire season. Gobert makes the Jazz a worse basketball team overall. His lack of ANY sort of offensive game is killing the Jazz. Add in the fact that even his defense has been crap this year and he's worthless out there. I was especially impressed with the way Steven Adams manhandled him in a game we would have won with Favors on the floor.

Watching the games, you can tell that his teammates don't trust him with the ball. Watch the body language. It's there.

Gobert getting injured this year was both the best and worst thing that could have happened to the Jazz. The best because we got to see how good the jazz can be without a clumsy, lumbering oaf clogging up the lane, and the worst because now that the players have seen and experienced how good they can be, the team chemistry is gone with Gobert back. He needs to go.
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Lack of any sort of offensive game? He did have 20 points last night.

People need to try to remember how good we were last year too. And how good gobert was.
 
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Also, favors and rudy average a similar amount of ppg but rudy gets those points much more efficiently. (And rebounds much better. And almost won defensive player of the year. And was all nba 2nd team)

Lets not get crazy folks
 
fishonjazz said:
Lack of any sort of offensive game? He did have 20 points last night.

People need to try to remember how good we were last year too. And how good gobert was.
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Favors has definitely been better than Gobert this season. But I do believe Gobert will get back to the level he was at last season or better, which is a better player than Favors. He was a really really good players towards the end of last season.
 
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Goberts efficiency is being severely overrated with regards to how good he is offensively. Deandre Jordan has better efficiency than Gobert. Is Deandre Jordan a good offensive player? What about Clint Capela? He's up there too. What about the mighty Dewayne Dedmon? I'm sure opposing teams tremble in fear when he has the ball. I mean, after all, he's efficient!

The top 20 players in fg percentage are basically all centers. When 90% of your shots attempts are dunks or putbacks you're going to have a good fg percentage. That doesn't make you an offensive juggernaut.

Let's put it this way, if it's crunch time and you're giving the ball to someone and telling them to go get you a bucket, Rudy is literally the very last player on the team I would want to have the ball.

The very idea that a lot of you think he's a better offensive player than Favors blows my mind. Quite frankly it's not even close.
 
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