Archie Moses
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He was considered top 10 by many people at the end of last season. He may not have won the popularity contest for DPOY but he was the top rim protector in the NBA by a long shot and either 1a or 1b of the most impactful player on the defensive side last year. Defense is half the game. He was #1 in blocks per game, total blocks, #2 FG%, #1 TS%, #1 Block %, #1 Defensive Win Shares, 2nd team all NBA (10 players on that list), 1st team all defense, #3 defensive rating, #3 offensive rating, #2 win Shares overall, #3 defensive box score +/-, #5 rebound %, #5 offensive rebound %, #4 rebounds per game, #4 total rebounds, #20 PER, #15 value added, #15 estimated wins added, #1 net rating per possession, #8 Value over replacement player, #15 in Box +/-, #8 WS per 48, #10 offensive win shares and many more top stats that easily put him in the top 10 based on stats alone and no personal opinions.
Last season (especially towards the end of the year) Gobert was top 10 or awfully close. If you look at these stats for the last couple months of the season he is much higher ranked as well in comparison.
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/jazz-rudy-gobert-gordon-hayward-build-defense/3/
Archie Moses
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Who were the many people you speak of? Link, please.
Sure, Rudy deserved to be in the conversation for top 20 player in the world last year, but he has never cracked the top 10, even with his great defensive stats. Arguably, he wasn't the best Jazz player.
Who, from last year are you leaving off your top 10 for Gobert and why? (Not in order)
1. Curry
2. Durant
3. Davis
4. Giannis
5. James
6. Leonard
7. Harden
8. Westbrook
9. Paul
10. PG13
11. Green
I already linked some.
I would definitely put Gobert ahead (last season, not this season) of pg13. I would probably put him ahead of Crissy and Green. Personally I'm not a fan of what Westbrook does either. Her is an inefficient stat stuffer that takes plays off including defense. But I'm sure many would put their list different. But definitely had a bigger impact than Paul George last year.
Archie Moses
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So your link consists of quotes of DL saying Gobert is a top 10? Yeah, ok.
Yeah, I think DL knows what he is talking about. He never made that claim about Hayward or any other Jazz player.
Yes he was. And I posted sites that had him top 5 at the time. Proving you wrong. Bump it, please.
I was talking last year not this year. Dat reading, doe.
Archie Moses
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I know you were talking about last year, but those rankings were made at the beginning of this year. Yeah, that reading.
Based on last years performance. That's were they felt he landed. LMFAO. /facepalm
Archie Moses
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No ****, dude. What I said is at this point, do you think he'd still be at 14? At best he was projected 14 and he's dropped, dude. Not hard to understand.
Archie Moses
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This was posted on November 13th. At the time, Mitchell was not playing at the level he is now and other players weren't playing as well and/or injured at the time. You posted one link after I said the general consensus of the NBA doesn't have Mitchell in its top 5 at that point, but he's climbing. Mitchell clearly is 1 or 2 at this point. Before November 13th, it's not hard to argue he wasn't top 5.