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Now is the time to start looking for your PG of the future

numb, we might be splitting hairs, i just don't think 20 gets us anything that we could consider even a slight upgrade over devin.

devin is above average, a former all-star, and copiloted a team to the NBA finals not that long ago. he has been trapped on a really bad team since then and he's probably better than we're giving him credit for. i'm not entirely sold on him as the answer to the jazz's hypothetical future title run either, but outside of drafting irving or crossing our fingers on knight/walker, how much better are we going to do? outside of tony parker, the list of starting PGs picked aqfter 20 is very short and littered with guys like ramon sessions or lou williams. i'd rather ride out the short term with devin than put our faith in a guy who COULD be as good as ramon sessions.
 
Completely agree Harris is not my ideal PG for the Jazz and understand much of your logic. Disagree we need to find his future replacement immediately. If a guy falls to us, sure go for it - but I think the approach of trying to find our PG of the future outside the top-10 of this draft would be a mistake. For all the Rondos and Tony Parkers of the past decade, there are dozens more Reece Gaines', Troy Bells and Marcus Williams ect.

Few of us have seen a Utah team that wasn't built around the PG & PF and the future shape of this team is up in the air so much - the Jazz could find themselves 2 years from now in a position where it would make more sense to have an experienced playoff veteran than a 3rd-year player. Teams have won championships without elite talent at the PG position - I think there's still too many other holes and question marks to completely write-off Harris (who is and will still be a pretty good player for the next 3 seasons) and gamble on his future replacement.
 
theNBAnerd said:
numb, we might be splitting hairs, i just don't think 20 gets us anything that we could consider even a slight upgrade over devin.

devin is above average, a former all-star, and copiloted a team to the NBA finals not that long ago. he has been trapped on a really bad team since then and he's probably better than we're giving him credit for. i'm not entirely sold on him as the answer to the jazz's hypothetical future title run either, but outside of drafting irving or crossing our fingers on knight/walker, how much better are we going to do? outside of tony parker, the list of starting PGs picked aqfter 20 is very short and littered with guys like ramon sessions or lou williams. i'd rather ride out the short term with devin than put our faith in a guy who COULD be as good as ramon sessions.
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What about Harris being too old for this project have you not grasped yet? The rest is rather irrelevant. Unless you want to make a case that he's a great playmaker (he's not, the stats don't support that either), great shooter (he's not, the stats don't support that either), or some other factor that will make his game age better.
 
vslice02 said:
Completely agree Harris is not my ideal PG for the Jazz and understand much of your logic. Disagree we need to find his future replacement immediately. If a guy falls to us, sure go for it - but I think the approach of trying to find our PG of the future outside the top-10 of this draft would be a mistake. For all the Rondos and Tony Parkers of the past decade, there are dozens more Reece Gaines', Troy Bells and Marcus Williams ect.

Few of us have seen a Utah team that wasn't built around the PG & PF and the future shape of this team is up in the air so much - the Jazz could find themselves 2 years from now in a position where it would make more sense to have an experienced playoff veteran than a 3rd-year player. Teams have won championships without elite talent at the PG position - I think there's still too many other holes and question marks to completely write-off Harris (who is and will still be a pretty good player for the next 3 seasons) and gamble on his future replacement.
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What is the gamble on losing CJ Miles or Raja Bell to take a look at a PG in the 20s? Neither of those guys ultimately have a place on that contender either (Bell will be out of the league, Miles is a dip-****).
 
NUMBERICA said:
What is the gamble on losing CJ Miles or Raja Bell to take a look at a PG in the 20s? Neither of those guys ultimately have a place on that contender either (Bell will be out of the league, Miles is a dip-****).
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Did I miss the reports that other teams are offering 1st-round picks for Raja Bell? IMO that's unrealistic - but if you can shed Bell and the 2 remaining years of his contract and GET BACK a first-round pick - by all means go for it.
CJ obviously has more value, but when you look at the late-first round picks that often get moved, those trades almost always involve current/future draft picks and/or cash considerations (and Utah is seldomly the provider of cash considerations). Very rarely do you see a team trade that's just pick #20-30 for player x.

I'm not sure we disagree on the move - just on the expense it would require.
 
I think a 2nd rounder might be possible for Raja. I wouldn't trade CJ for a 2nd rounder though.
 
vslice02 said:
Did I miss the reports that other teams are offering 1st-round picks for Raja Bell? IMO that's unrealistic - but if you can shed Bell and the 2 remaining years of his contract and GET BACK a first-round pick - by all means go for it.
CJ obviously has more value, but when you look at the late-first round picks that often get moved, those trades almost always involve current/future draft picks and/or cash considerations (and Utah is seldomly the provider of cash considerations). Very rarely do you see a team trade that's just pick #20-30 for player x.

I'm not sure we disagree on the move - just on the expense it would require.
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It is pure conjecture. But I wouldn't give up much to get that extra pick. That's the whole point. Low or no-risk to roll the dice. And that's just to START the process, if you finish it there too, then awesome.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I think a 2nd rounder might be possible for Raja. I wouldn't trade CJ for a 2nd rounder though.
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CJ cannot be traded per current CBA rules, and there is absolutely no way you can trade Raja and actually get something of value back.At this point to trade Raja you need to GIVE a pick, just so that someone will take his remaining 2 years off our hands.
 
I can think of 3 ways we might pick up a late first this year:

1. When we hear Irving and Williams get selected 1 and 2, then we get on the phone with Washington and trade our #3 for their #6 and #18. I think if we were to do this, we'd probably select a PG with #6 (Knight or Walker) since they'll be the BPsA, thus this doesn't really speak to the OP

2. Trading CJ Miles (as you mentioned). I know their might not be a long history of this type of deal, but this is a strange year. I've already mentioned in another post trading CJ for #20. I can see that happening.

3. Dealing Tomic's rights. For a late, late first or an early second. Mack should be in range there, and maybe one of these dudes you mentioned will fall. I don't know enough about the late-first round to comment.


While we'd likely be worse next year for trading him, I think we SHOULD trade Harris. Portland wanted him last year, and they have a glut of SGs, something we need (ahem, Matthews). Maybe their poison pen can be put to good use.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is pure conjecture. But I wouldn't give up much to get that extra pick. That's the whole point. Low or no-risk to roll the dice. And that's just to START the process, if you finish it there too, then awesome.
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The price for a mid to late pick is usually $3M. You don't even need to give up a player. Every year there is usually a team or two willing to sell their 1st rounder so they don't have to pay a guaranteed salary to a player who might be a bust. Jazz got $3M in the deal for Deron. Miller should treat that as found money and buy a pick if they like someone at that point.
 
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