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Stephen Jackson calls out Utah fans now.

I have to compliment Jope for having the most balanced post in this thread. There has long been a culture of extreme sports heckling here in Utah, and some of it is definitely racist. From the high school level on up. If Jope didn’t grow up here, I would be very surprised.

But Utah’s racism is unique among American cultures. It’s on the scriptural level, and takes its cues from Brigham Young who was an extreme racist who condemned blacks in General Conference and sympathized with the South both before and after the Civil War. (How many western states can you think of that refer to their southern region as “Dixie”?)

But not only is the racism in the canon (Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price). It is also on the unwritten level, where many of the Baby boomer generation will still tell groups of teens and missionaries at dinner appointments that blacks have their skin because they were “unfaithful in the pre-existence”.

Read David O Mckay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism by Gregory Prince. The chapter on blacks and the priesthood is worth the purchase price alone. My favorite part of that book describes Nigerians who discovered the Book of Mormon in the ‘60s, converted on their own, and grew to 20,000 strong. They were begging the church to send missionaries to baptize them, and the church hedged in part because they didnt want to give the priesthood to them. McKay suggested just giving them the Aaronic priesthood, but the Twelve Apostles shouted him down. They wouldn’t have it. Then the Biafran war broke out and the church waited for decades to even address these people.

That kinda **** is under the surface for any racist incident that involves anyone who comes from our dominant religious culture.

If anyone wants to read a concise study of why Utahns are still preoccupied with race, scope Paul Reeves’ Religion Of A Different Color, which describes the local response of Mormons being labeled “non-whites” in the 1850s by eastern Protestants.

Mormons have been over-asserting their whiteness (as if they had to) for more than 170 years because the US white power structure chose to lump them in with Jews, Irish, Italians, and other “lesser” caucasians as a function of (i) polygamy, and (ii) the mythic caste system that American Anglo-Saxons have always asserted to stay in control of local politics, business, and real estate.

So it should not shock anyone who can read that Utahns, and especially LDS Utahns, still act like they are better than everyone because they are fronting to cover up for a gigantic case of little man’s disease that stems back to the most racist era of our history.

Things like the Olympic committee bribing scandal, the over-the-top American patriotism, and even the Jazz fan fear of non-acceptance by the larger US NBA community of players and media all stem from the Antebellum notion that Utah = Mormons = sub-whites, so Utah is always forced to try harder to prove that they belong to this country.

TL:DR - It’s not just the demographics. It’s the history of those demographics. And if you are a non-Mormon reading this, all I can say is that if you want to avoid contributing to the intentional ignorance on these matters, then you should absolutely own this history so that you aren’t a party to a tradition of doubling down on a matter that is older than the state.

damn, what a take.
 
Agreed. There is an assumption that the KKK type of racists do more harm than the passive racists who tolerate the kind of systematic racism that goes on in real estate, hiring, retail, schooling, law enforcement, incarceration, etc. It’s not less harm at all. It is just more socially acceptable.

But the problem in Utah is unique. The fear here isn’t as much about miscegenation as it is not being included in the lie of the “pure race”.

I think that as the culture surrounding DNA testing rises, more and more people will abandon the idea that there ever was a “white” race to begin with. Melanin production is an epigenetic matter relative to proximity to the equator, not some genetic identifier of a “chosen people”.

i might have a new favourite poster
 
And I would be surprised to see you address any LDS observations by stepping outside your prism of hatred toward the religion. . .

Only the most fanatical interpreter could ever mistake honesty for hatred.

But your post is also instructive because it betrays the fact that you and your culture are far more concerned with defending the reputation of your brand than you are in confessing and forsaking anything.
 
But if it's true that it happens more often or with more severity in relation to other teams?

I recently saw a clip of a white girl shouting white power or something at a black comedian on stage. It must have been at Wiseguys.

The comedian made fun of her and said he didn't want her kicked out and the crowd shamed her. Wish I could find the clip.
 
The legal and the prison system are clearly racially motivated. Your comment is pretty embarrassing. If you want a pretty clear cut example, just look at the history of law enforcement on crack vs cocaine.

I don't see racism everywhere, but I do think critically about race and it's affects on society. Do I agree with everything people see as racist? No, but in this case I see it.

Crack was targeted as an inner-city violence epidemic. If anything that was the opposite of racism. And it worked. Claiming it had something to do with race is straight up dumb.
 
Lol in all seriousness though, I'm all about calling out any Jazz fan that acts inappropriate towards players or refs whether it's racism or talking about family. I just hate the generalization some of these players make towards our entire state or fan base, because it's something 99.9% of us don't condone and want no part of.
I hated the virulent hate Derek Fischer got, did not like the Jackson taunting, and don't care for the kanter hate. It just makes us look like small time rubes. I would love for jazz fans to stay on the positive side of the ledger, and just cheer our guts out for the team. Defending this kind of stuff is not worth it anyway. It detracts from the greatness we witnessed. Instead of talking about the close out win, we are mired in a no win debate on whether or not Utah is a racist fan base.

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