Umh... it was in a playoff game vs the best team in France - Monaco. The day before the game they awarded Monaco's PG Aaron Craft with the DPOY of the league... so Okobo was like "ORLY?!? DPOY you say. Why don't I drop 44 on him then?"
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Would you prefer they bring Ben Dowsett back? Did you forgive his Mississippi state blunder ?
Medianz
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Every single year during Rubio's career there was one player who was going to take his job.
Like who? JJ Barea? 32 year old Mo Williams? 39 year old Andre Miller? Tyus Jones? Come on, lets be serious about this... Rubio has never had any PG-teammate with the caliber of talent that Okobo has.
Medianz
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I am not saying that Okobo couldn't be the one. Of course it'll happen someday. What I am saying is that a lot of people underestimate him and say things like that, but by now it hasn't happened.
Let me example you what I was referring to:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...lan-to-make-kris-dunn-starter-after-20-games/
I got Huerter as my favorite player for the Jazz, he would fit in perfectly in a SG/SF combo role and could develop into a fine player.
I would also consider getting that #14 pick from Denver. I know they could be reluctant to the idea of being fleeced by Jazz again but they want to get rid of Faried's deal and I think Utah have the ability to make enough space available to take on that contract for a year. It also will not hinder the ability to have cap space in 2018. Also, Faried could perhaps contribute for 8-10 minutes a game if you find him a role. Not sure how that works cap wise though. If you had both #14 and #21 at the same time, and considered moving Crowder to acquire another pick (maybe takng on another short term bad deal) you might get enough assets to move high enough to get Michael Porter or Miles Bridges. Some mock drafts have Porter falling to Charlotte and even to Washington. I think he's a high risk-high reward kind of player because of his injury issues and talent.
I would also consider getting that #14 pick from Denver. I know they could be reluctant to the idea of being fleeced by Jazz again but they want to get rid of Faried's deal and I think Utah have the ability to make enough space available to take on that contract for a year. It also will not hinder the ability to have cap space in 2018. Also, Faried could perhaps contribute for 8-10 minutes a game if you find him a role. Not sure how that works cap wise though. If you had both #14 and #21 at the same time, and considered moving Crowder to acquire another pick (maybe takng on another short term bad deal) you might get enough assets to move high enough to get Michael Porter or Miles Bridges. Some mock drafts have Porter falling to Charlotte and even to Washington. I think he's a high risk-high reward kind of player because of his injury issues and talent.
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We cant absorb Faried. The best offer we could make to Denver would be based around Burks and #21. Burks makes a couple million less than Faried next year and he is a U of Colorado guy, but I don't think that's enough.
Outside of Burks' expiring and #21, our only other expendable valuable assets are Bradley, future 1sts and 2nds.
I don't think anybody else is available.
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Outside of Burks' expiring and #21, our only other expendable valuable assets are Bradley, future 1sts and 2nds.
I don't think anybody else is available.
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So I guess we need to move up then? I think moving to 15 is enough to get him... get it done DL.
Okobo becomes Dame then we have him and DM attack defenses relentlessly and win all the championships.
Lol probably. He at least knew most of his stuff.Would you prefer they bring Ben Dowsett back? Did you forgive his Mississippi state blunder ?
Good point. It's possible to create cap space but only during the free agency by renouncing Favors and Exum so that's a moot point. Denver's pick is off the table then.
The available picks to move up are Phoenix #16, Milwaukee #17. Phoenix would probably take a protected 2019 pick plus a second rounder if they don't like who they can get at #16. Maybe even would have something like protected 2019 pick and Bradley (I don't think his value is particularly high now). Milwaukee pick is actually even easier because if you agree to send them a future pick and take Dellavedova's deal (2 years, about $10M a year) and send back Burks who they can actually use (and he has just one year left as opposed to two) then you probably have yourself a deal here. I doubt Milwaukee really want to add more young players currently so getting an upgrade in a backcourt position, some reasonably reliable shooting and a future asset should work perfect for them.
Picks behind Jazz that the team could acquire are maybe #24 from Portland (I'm their fan so I know the situation there, you are my second team) but that would require to take on Turner's or Leonard's contracts which are just pure evil, and maybe Celtics pick for future assets.
You get #16 or #17 and #21, take Huerter and one of the promising point guards (Okobo, Simons etc.) and you are sorted in terms of future talent to work with. Huerter would IMO play at the 3 and occasionally at the 2 when Mitchell steps up to the point guard role at times. He'd also help stretching the floor massively.
Or just go all in and absorb Noah's contract from New York in exchange for #21, Burks and additional future asset. New York will want to be players in free agency at some point in the near future, letting Noah go and taking on one-year Burks deal that is serviceable helps that. At #9 you can definitely get a proper talent to go along with Gobert and Mitchell. You give up the 2019 cap space though which is a worry.
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I'm all for trades but I'm finding extremely difficult to devise plans this year. Over the last 5-10 years, we had players and picks and expirings and sometimes good exceptions at our disposal. This year, the expendable asset cupboard is so bare.
I do think we would trade our 2019 first if the right player dropped. I don't think that player is Huerter or Okobo but somebody more like Bridges, Porter Jr, etc.
As for NY, I've speculated on us getting Noah and an asset for a while. Seems unlikely, but then again, the core of this team is signed as long as or longer than Noah's deal. The only one missing is Rubio but I'm not worried about him. I think he is staying and we wouldn't lose him because of Noah's deal.
For NY, it would have to be Burks, Bradley, a minor throw in, and #21 for Noah and #9 http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9sulpzg. For Charlotte, it would just be Burks and #21 for Marvin and #11 http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ux4z3j We also could package #21 and 2019 to move up for something else.
We do so many workouts with guys in our range but I would love to know what our FO thinks about lottery level guys.
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I'm all for trades but I'm finding extremely difficult to devise plans this year. Over the last 5-10 years, we had players and picks and expirings and sometimes good exceptions at our disposal. This year, the expendable asset cupboard is so bare.
I do think we would trade our 2019 first if the right player dropped. I don't think that player is Huerter or Okobo but somebody more like Bridges, Porter Jr, etc.
As for NY, I've speculated on us getting Noah and an asset for a while. Seems unlikely, but then again, the core of this team is signed as long as or longer than Noah's deal. The only one missing is Rubio but I'm not worried about him. I think he is staying and we wouldn't lose him because of Noah's deal.
For NY, it would have to be Burks, Bradley, a minor throw in, and #21 for Noah and #9 http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9sulpzg. For Charlotte, it would just be Burks and #21 for Marvin and #11 http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ux4z3j We also could package #21 and 2019 to move up for something else.
We do so many workouts with guys in our range but I would love to know what our FO thinks about lottery level guys.
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Yes, indeed it's hard to figure out what's the right deal out there. It's safe to say Utah are not likely to get a prime free agent this offseason, the speculation about Paul George come simply from the fact that Mitchell said it on Woj podcast but it wasn't even a serious conversation I feel. He's going to Los Angeles almost for sure and it's useless dwelling about this. I generally think that cap space is overrated for teams like Utah and Portland, we are both best off looking for bargains as prime free agents don't come here but we both have had plenty of success in the draft so that's where I'd look for improvements. I hated it when Portland spent all this money in 2016 free agency and it hurts us up until this very moment. Even what looked like an obvious move at the time, Hassan Whiteside, would be a terrible piece for us now.
Burks as an expiring contract, and a player who can actually contribute from time to time, has some value. I know from a Portland fan perspective that possibly swapping Leonard or Turner for him while attaching extra assets would be somewhat tempting. Crowder must also have some value across the league as a $7M a year player who you can play for 20-25 minutes a night and find use for.
Utah need a wing and a big that can shoot, probably. There are two bigs that can shoot and are very good at multiple things in this draft but both will go in high lottery. Jaren Jackson is completely off the table, Wendell Carter could theoretically fall to 9-11 range (well, he should). As for wings, the main two for me are Porter and Miles Bridges, then maybe I'd give Kevin Knox some thought (I think Mikal Bridges is also off the table). Porter is the ultimate dream scenario because the only reason he has been falling recently are his injury issues and if he is healthy, he could develop into a franchise cornerstone. A lot of the teams in the lottery are in no position to gamble on someone who might struggle to hit the floor due to health issues which gives me some hope that he falls to 9 or even 11. If that happens, Utah should probably have a conversation with New York, Philly and Charlotte.
Fully agree that Huerter, Okobo etc. are not really the kind of player you move up for.
Yes, indeed it's hard to figure out what's the right deal out there. It's safe to say Utah are not likely to get a prime free agent this offseason, the speculation about Paul George come simply from the fact that Mitchell said it on Woj podcast but it wasn't even a serious conversation I feel. He's going to Los Angeles almost for sure and it's useless dwelling about this. I generally think that cap space is overrated for teams like Utah and Portland, we are both best off looking for bargains as prime free agents don't come here but we both have had plenty of success in the draft so that's where I'd look for improvements. I hated it when Portland spent all this money in 2016 free agency and it hurts us up until this very moment. Even what looked like an obvious move at the time, Hassan Whiteside, would be a terrible piece for us now.
Burks as an expiring contract, and a player who can actually contribute from time to time, has some value. I know from a Portland fan perspective that possibly swapping Leonard or Turner for him while attaching extra assets would be somewhat tempting. Crowder must also have some value across the league as a $7M a year player who you can play for 20-25 minutes a night and find use for.
Utah need a wing and a big that can shoot, probably. There are two bigs that can shoot and are very good at multiple things in this draft but both will go in high lottery. Jaren Jackson is completely off the table, Wendell Carter could theoretically fall to 9-11 range (well, he should). As for wings, the main two for me are Porter and Miles Bridges, then maybe I'd give Kevin Knox some thought (I think Mikal Bridges is also off the table). Porter is the ultimate dream scenario because the only reason he has been falling recently are his injury issues and if he is healthy, he could develop into a franchise cornerstone. A lot of the teams in the lottery are in no position to gamble on someone who might struggle to hit the floor due to health issues which gives me some hope that he falls to 9 or even 11. If that happens, Utah should probably have a conversation with New York, Philly and Charlotte.
Fully agree that Huerter, Okobo etc. are not really the kind of player you move up for.