Following Potential 2018 Draftees

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here is an interesting interview with DL:


He talked about the mini-camp for vets we are doing at about 7:20. The interesting part is - he said they are inviting college coaches and assistant coaches as well as European coaches to lead some of those workouts and he said that it serves multiple purposes - 1st to give those coaches opportunity to improve their coaching, second.... to scout those coaches for future openings, third - they develop relationships for player intel. This means - those will be coaches that they will be calling later for intel on players they want to draft. He specifically mentioned that they have some French coaches in this year because French basketball is expected to churn some good prospects in the following years(Sekou Doumbouy, Hoard?). My mind also automatically went to ... yeah, you got it - Okobo! One can only hope.

Not a big fan of hunger games, but one of the parts my mind often turns to is the famous participant that tells Kat he no longer asks for money or things to show up at parties and that he "deals in secrets". DL doing these things is pretty cool... he gets it. I own a business and have dealt alot in sales and such... I see all these people doing branding and trying to put together slicker marketing materials than other guys... I go out and get two or three key relationships and make them happy... they send more stuff my way than I can handle.

Do all the draft analytics you want... DL will get the skinny from their coach...

 

[LoPo]

@TheeJazzFan

The Hornacek we had was no better than JJ Reddick. I'm all for supporting our guys and loving the past, but Jeff Hornacek was a 6'4" elite shooter with limited athleticism. Playing with Stockton and Malone lengthened his career, but the game is different now. Korver and Reddick are fair comps.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

@TheeJazzFan

The Hornacek we had was no better than JJ Reddick. I'm all for supporting our guys and loving the past, but Jeff Hornacek was a 6'4" elite shooter with limited athleticism. Playing with Stockton and Malone lengthened his career, but the game is different now. Korver and Reddick are fair comps.

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Horny could play point though... had a lot more passing and dribbling to his game than JJ... much more than just a lights out shooter.

 

[LoPo]

Hornacek was a very good player. I loved having him. I personally don't think his game would translate that well to today. If we were drafting a 6'4" PG/SG with his shooting but athleticism, where would he get drafted?

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[whatthe]

I'm not sure if you are serious with some of those takes... Doncic is NOT a better passer than Brown? Doncic is below average athlete but so is Brown. He didn't test Average at the combine... he tested horribly bad in all aspects - explosion, speed, agility. He was last of all SFs in 3 of the drills, second to last in the 4th and third to last in the fifth. By all testing numbers he's a WAY below average athlete.

Yes, I give the slight edge to Brown as a passer even as good as Doncic is. Doncic is a supreme top level scorer and a great passer. Average athlete. If Doncic was at the combine his numbers would suck just like Brown's did.

Bolomboy a couple years had great combine numbers, but he doesn't have great in game recognition skill. I think Brown is the opposite of Bolomboy in that regard.

And Jaren Jackson is the best player in the draft by far.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Hornacek was a very good player. I loved having him. I personally don't think his game would translate that well to today. If we were drafting a 6'4" PG/SG with his shooting but athleticism, where would he get drafted?

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Rotfl. Is this for real?! During his prime he averaged 19-20 points and 6 assists per game and 40%+ from three with a lightning fast release also Redick was also 6-4 you idiot, Redick wishes he had as good a career as Horny. Horny, in his career was much quicker and athletic before he got to the jazz. He was older and playing on two bad knees. Horny would’ve been a stud in any era or style of basketball, unlike Redick, he wasn’t just a shooter.


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[Bodhi]

Yes, I give the slight edge to Brown as a passer even as good as Doncic is. Doncic is a supreme top level scorer and a great passer. Average athlete. If Doncic was at the combine his numbers would suck just like Brown's did.

Bolomboy a couple years had great combine numbers, but he doesn't have great in game recognition skill. I think Brown is the opposite of Bolomboy in that regard.

And Jaren Jackson is the best player in the draft by far.

I would take a dudes extensive euro league experience, including the playoffs and translate his passing ability there over another’s 20ish games in one of the weaker conferences in the country.

I think Brown can pass but Doncic’s resume is WAY better than Brown’s.

This thread is getting wild.

 

[LoPo]

I said Hornacek, with us at the end of his career, was comparable to a Reddick or Korver. The conversation stemmed from a comparison of the Warriors vs that 1998 Jazz team. Horny was awesome. Different era. We are arguing over a hypothetical.

Back to picks....

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I would take a dudes extensive euro league experience, including the playoffs and translate his passing ability there over another’s 20ish games in one of the weaker conferences in the country.

I think Brown can pass but Doncic’s resume is WAY better than Brown’s.

This thread is getting wild.

Doncic is the truth... people will see...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't spent a ton of time on 2019 prospects, but from what I've seen and what I've heard it will be a horrible class compared to this one and pick #21 this year might indeed be better than pick #11 next year or at the very least they might be comparable. That's why I wouldn't hesitate to trade our next year's pick in order to move up and get whoever we love in this draft... be it Brown, Okobo, Knox... if DL thinks he can get a good starter from this draft somewhere in the teens and that trade becomes available I wouldn't hesitate to include Bradley or the 2019 pick in order to do it.

When anyone says a future draft will suck, they are pretty much solely talking about the projections of the top guys. It really has nothing to do with depth. I think it's pretty impossible to project the depth of a draft past the lottery until you get later into a college season. It's not like last year many would have projected guys like Melvin Frazier, Kevin Huerter, Zhaire Smith, Shai G-A, Elie Okobo, etc to become first round prospects.

If the top 10 guys suck next year relative to the top 10 this year, then that really has no affect on the potential depth. The top 10 guys still go top 10.

 

[Coach Ellis]

When anyone says a future draft will suck, they are pretty much solely talking about the projections of the top guys. It really has nothing to do with depth. I think it's pretty impossible to project the depth of a draft past the lottery until you get later into a college season. It's not like last year many would have projected guys like Melvin Frazier, Kevin Huerter, Zhaire Smith, Shai G-A, Elie Okobo, etc to become first round prospects.

If the top 10 guys suck next year relative to the top 10 this year, then that really has no affect on the potential depth. The top 10 guys still go top 10.

You have no way of knowing which freshmen or foreign players take a jump and become a worthwhile pick in the 20’s (which is where the Jazz should be picking.) Top five/ten doesn’t effect that Jazz plans much at all.

Also, the Jazz should have the opportunity to develop Darius Bazley on the Stars for a year and it would be good to have resources to draft him for the Jazz if they decide it’s worth keeping him long term. Assuming he’s in that range this time next year.

 

[whatthe]

I would take a dudes extensive euro league experience, including the playoffs and translate his passing ability there over another’s 20ish games in one of the weaker conferences in the country.

I think Brown can pass but Doncic’s resume is WAY better than Brown’s.

This thread is getting wild.

Doncic has a great resume, I agree. I am going by what I am seeing and partly what I hope the future for Brown could be. Doncic's passing is great because of his unreal scoring ability. Brown's has great passing skill without great shooting ability -- plus he can defend. Anyway, it doesn't mean that Brown will emerge as a high end starter in the league, but I think there is a good possibility.