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Ron Mexico said:
No that is the answer. It was a silly question with an obvious answer. If Rubio improves over what he was the second half of last year (15 and 5 on .400+ 3 point shooting) and the Jazz are a better seed heading into the all-star break he could be an all-star. Did you want more specifics?
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All Stars' all about fans voting. Fans don't care about shooting %. How will he get more votes over the likes of Curry, Lillard, Westbrook, Harden, Paul and Klay? You're the one saying he'll get $25m - explain yourself.
 
Ron Mexico said:
So if he improves over last year and makes the all-star team this year you will balk at 25 million? That is the scenario I have painted.
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Do you realize how good the point guards are in the west? Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Chris Paul, just to name a few. There is a 0% chance that Rubio will be an all star. Mitchell and Gobert would both make it ahead of him and there is no way the Jazz are getting 3 all stars.
 
Ron Mexico said:
What are the going rates for all-stars? 25-30 million?

What are the going rates for solid starters in the NBA? 15-20 million?

What are the going rates for 6th man players 10-15 million?

I think people are just off on their contract amounts and expectations. This year was also a really lean year. So a lot of players went for less than they should. There was a lot of 1 year deals for that reason.
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I think you need to look at the pecking order at the position though too... Available FA point guards next year... Kyrie, Kemba, are very likely to have more "value" then some other interesting guys like Rozier, DeAngelo Russell, Delon Wright maybe more appealing to teams that are young and building. Others include Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Malcolm Brogdnon (kind of a PG).

Kind of loaded at that position... so even if he is good... the market may not be as ripe for him as it will be for others.
 
Jingled said:
Do you realize how good the point guards are in the west? Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Chris Paul, just to name a few. There is a 0% chance that Rubio will be an all star. Mitchell and Gobert would both make it ahead of him and there is no way the Jazz are getting 3 all stars.
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All star in the west is like first team all nba... All star in the east... then maybe.

I'm hoping we get one all star... that might be tough if we don't come out of the gate with flames coming out our butt holes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... I'm saying an extension this year would have to be at a discount... if he tears the league up for a year and is Rick Curry... then I could see him getting 20-25, but giving 18-20 now is risky... what if he blows up his knee again? We give long term security... but only at a good discount. If he is a 25-30M player then the cap hold of $22M is fine and we just work around it... offload Exum and Crowder to get the space we need to sign another guy.
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100% agreed.
 
ONE LOVE said:
All Stars all about fans voting. Fans don't care about shooting %. How will he get more votes over the likes of Curry, Lillard, Westbrook, Harden, Paul and Klay? You're the one saying he'll get $25m - explain yourself.
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Fans are not the only ones who decide who gets into the all-star game... They only determine the starters. So that kind of ruins your argument there. But I can keep going if you want.

Fans also care about winning. If Portland isnt in the playoff picture and the Jazz are sitting in the 3rd seed spot he will get in over him. There are also health concerns with many of those players listed. Also GS is not getting in Curry, Green, Durant, and Boogie. So touches will be down. There is a decent chance Klay is the one who suffers and does not get in along with Green.

If (its a big if thats why we are talking about numbers) Rubio improves his numbers will be better than I posted. If he is around 20 ppg and 8 assists and we are the 3 seed then he will get in. He probably wont be voted in by fans but the coaches will put him in.
 
Jingled said:
Do you realize how good the point guards are in the west? Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Chris Paul, just to name a few. There is a 0% chance that Rubio will be an all star. Mitchell and Gobert would both make it ahead of him and there is no way the Jazz are getting 3 all stars.
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I agree that is the most likely scenario. I am discussing his worth if he makes another big jump like he did what he would get. I think if he plays like he did the second half of last season he will be offered a contract around 18-20 million in an extension. Assuming Exum hasnt broken out as well.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Fans are not the only ones who decide who gets into the all-star game... They only determine the starters. So that kind of ruins your argument there. But I can keep going if you want.

Fans also care about winning. If Portland isnt in the playoff picture and the Jazz are sitting in the 3rd seed spot he will get in over him. There are also health concerns with many of those players listed. Also GS is not getting in Curry, Green, Durant, and Boogie. So touches will be down. There is a decent chance Klay is the one who suffers and does not get in along with Green.

If (its a big if thats why we are talking about numbers) Rubio improves his numbers will be better than I posted. If he is around 20 ppg and 8 assists and we are the 3 seed then he will get in. He probably wont be voted in by fans but the coaches will put him in.
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Last year Lillard missed out. Rubio would have to be at that level to get in.
 
Jingled said:
Do you realize how good the point guards are in the west? Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Chris Paul, just to name a few. There is a 0% chance that Rubio will be an all star. Mitchell and Gobert would both make it ahead of him and there is no way the Jazz are getting 3 all stars.
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This. If anything Mitchell makes an All Stars game before Rubio in this lifetime.
 
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