Ricky Rubio will break out this season

[LogGrad98]

I think his assists will go up, since he is now used to playing with this team, but he will not get back to his career numbers since he will be playing with another ball-dominant play-maker in Mitchell, as well as our point-forward in Jingles. I think Rubio hits 17/5/7, maybe even up to 8 assists as a stretch. But his overall efficiency will go up considerably, especially shooting, since he will get lots of open looks in good positions due to playing along-side Jingles and Mitchell.

 

[TheStormofWar]

I think his assists will go up, since he is now used to playing with this team, but he will not get back to his career numbers since he will be playing with another ball-dominant play-maker in Mitchell, as well as our point-forward in Jingles. I think Rubio hits 17/5/7, maybe even up to 8 assists as a stretch. But his overall efficiency will go up considerably, especially shooting, since he will get lots of open looks in good positions due to playing along-side Jingles and Mitchell.

Ricky had to change his mindset when we had to convince him, like Ingles, that "If you have an open shot....SHOOT THE ***ING THING!!!". 17/5/7 with his second half efficiencies from last year would make me giddy. But yeah, we don't need him 100% facilitate everything, but we need him stroking well. The Jazz have plenty of facilitators. We just need to be sure our shooters are shooting.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Ricky had to change his mindset when we had to convince him, like Ingles, that "If you have an open shot....SHOOT THE ***ING THING!!!". 17/5/7 with his second half efficiencies from last year would make me giddy. But yeah, we don't need him 100% facilitate everything, but we need him stroking well. The Jazz have plenty of facilitators. We just need to be sure our shooters are shooting.

He did go through the same thing with Minny the year before though. 2 years in a row his 3 point % has jumped up about 7% from pre-all star to post all-star. 2 years ago with Minny he put up 16 ppg and 10.5 assists on 42% shooting. This last year post all-star he put up 15 ppg, 5.6 assists on 43% shooting. Its pretty easy to argue that 2 years ago with Minny he had a bigger jump in play. His offensive rating was better post all-star with Minny than it was with the Jazz.

3 years ago Rubio shot 29% from 3 before the all-star break and 37% after.

So we have 3 years in a row with significant difference between the 2 halves of the season.

So will it be 4 years in a row or did he actually turn a corner? If so what is the difference between this year and previous years where he did the same thing?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

He did go through the same thing with Minny the year before though. 2 years in a row his 3 point % has jumped up about 7% from pre-all star to post all-star. 2 years ago with Minny he put up 16 ppg and 10.5 assists on 42% shooting. This last year post all-star he put up 15 ppg, 5.6 assists on 43% shooting. Its pretty easy to argue that 2 years ago with Minny he had a bigger jump in play. His offensive rating was better post all-star with Minny than it was with the Jazz.

3 years ago Rubio shot 29% from 3 before the all-star break and 37% after.

So we have 3 years in a row with significant difference between the 2 halves of the season.

So will it be 4 years in a row or did he actually turn a corner? If so what is the difference between this year and previous years where he did the same thing?

Good questions.

 

[TheStormofWar]

He did go through the same thing with Minny the year before though. 2 years in a row his 3 point % has jumped up about 7% from pre-all star to post all-star. 2 years ago with Minny he put up 16 ppg and 10.5 assists on 42% shooting. This last year post all-star he put up 15 ppg, 5.6 assists on 43% shooting. Its pretty easy to argue that 2 years ago with Minny he had a bigger jump in play. His offensive rating was better post all-star with Minny than it was with the Jazz.

3 years ago Rubio shot 29% from 3 before the all-star break and 37% after.

So we have 3 years in a row with significant difference between the 2 halves of the season.

So will it be 4 years in a row or did he actually turn a corner? If so what is the difference between this year and previous years where he did the same thing?

History says the former, but I would like to think it'll be different.

 

[Ron Mexico]

History says the former, but I would like to think it'll be different.

I tend to agree but I am still worried. I am really hopeful that he will come out confident from the start and shoot well. I would like to think our staff is great at getting the most out of our players and improving them.

Mitchell passing the ball to Rubio for the game winning shot against Toronto felt like a real tipping point with his confidence and shooting.
That was a tipping point for the Jazz in general. We had just lost to Atlanta a couple nights before and that was the low point of the season. This was game 2 of the big win streak and a real confidence boost for the team and Rubio. We beat the best record team in the East and went on a tear. We did rally against the Pistons but that game felt like a real desperation game by the Jazz. This one got the confidence rolling for the team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have no idea what to expect...

He's in a contract year.
Seems really happy here.
Is more familiar with the system.
Is working on his shot.
Has been here most of the summer (from what I've read).

but....

He's done this hot second half thing before.
Had two good games in the playoffs, but shooting was certainly an issue.

I think its trending the right way. I was most encouraged by his finishing. I think he can be a consistent spot up three shooter 35-40% and if he is able to finish at the rim he is a threat off the dribble. I'm not convinced his three of the dribble will ever be good.

I'm not sure I'd call it a breakout... more of a steady improvement year. If he went 44/37 on his shooting splits and cut his turnovers a bit I'd be ecstatic. Even if his raw numbers for pts, assists, and rebounds stayed similar.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He did go through the same thing with Minny the year before though. 2 years in a row his 3 point % has jumped up about 7% from pre-all star to post all-star. 2 years ago with Minny he put up 16 ppg and 10.5 assists on 42% shooting. This last year post all-star he put up 15 ppg, 5.6 assists on 43% shooting. Its pretty easy to argue that 2 years ago with Minny he had a bigger jump in play. His offensive rating was better post all-star with Minny than it was with the Jazz.

3 years ago Rubio shot 29% from 3 before the all-star break and 37% after.

So we have 3 years in a row with significant difference between the 2 halves of the season.

So will it be 4 years in a row or did he actually turn a corner? If so what is the difference between this year and previous years where he did the same thing?

Right... which is why I was more impressed with his finishing being improved... it seems the staff has figured out ways to help guys with that particular skill. I expect his shooting to be more consistent, but the overall percentages to be somewhat similar.

Breakout is strong language... especially for a guy in his age 28 season that has played a ton of basketball. I don't think its a ridiculous statement though because the guy has been working with the team already and our development staff is the not to be doubted.

 

[RRJazz]

Big difference between this year and others with the Wolves. Post all-star numbers were based on march and basically only march. It's like the breaks did wonders for him. Also, the Wolves were always tanking so he had no pressure at all after the all-star, plus last season he knew Thibs was going to trade him. All in all, when he stopped worrying about missing shots he made them.

Last season, he shot nicely the entire 2nd half of the season, 2018. Not just one month or two, 5. It wasn't while tanking, it was during a playoff chase, and it helped the team finish 34-8 or something like that, and win a playoff series. Night and day, people.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Big difference between this year and others with the Wolves. Post all-star numbers were based on march and basically only march. It's like the breaks did wonders for him. Also, the Wolves were always tanking so he had no pressure at all after the all-star, plus last season he knew Thibs was going to trade him. All in all, when he stopped worrying about missing shots he made them.

Last season, he shot nicely the entire 2nd half of the season, 2018. Not just one month or two, 5. It wasn't while tanking, it was during a playoff chase, and it helped the team finish 34-8 or something like that, and win a playoff series. Night and day, people.

He shot 31% in the playoffs in 2018. So maybe he still has the same problem of shooting when there is more pressure?

Also I would not call his 2 months of shooting 35% nice shooting. But the two months of shooting 50% brought his overall 3 point shooting percentages up.


Personally I just think he is a really inconsistent and streaky shooter. He has done it his whole career but hopefully it is slowly trending upward and will get slightly more consistent, which is what usually happens when you work on something. I would not be surprised, and expect to see him have some below 30% shooting months from 3 next year.

Rubio basically had 3 months of 35% shooting, 2 months of great shooting, and 2 months of really bad shooting. I hope we just get rid of those 2 really bad months next year.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

He shot 31% in the playoffs in 2018. So maybe he still has the same problem of shooting when there is more pressure?

Also I would not call his 2 months of shooting 35% nice shooting. But the two months of shooting 50% brought his overall 3 point shooting percentages up.


Personally I just think he is a really inconsistent and streaky shooter. He has done it his whole career but hopefully it is slowly trending upward and will get slightly more consistent, which is what usually happens when you work on something. I would not be surprised, and expect to see him have some below 30% shooting months from 3 next year.

Rubio basically had 3 months of 35% shooting, 2 months of great shooting, and 2 months of really bad shooting. I hope we just get rid of those 2 really bad months next year.

With you talking sense here, I feel like dumping out my kool aid, trading tricky ricky, and blowing it up.

It's not your fault. Facts is facts.

 

[jjscap]

He shot 31% in the playoffs in 2018. So maybe he still has the same problem of shooting when there is more pressure?

I'd not rely on 6 games to extract any percentages. It still is not bad playing considering he played his first playoff series vs a contender and league playoff 3P% average is 34% IIRC. Just a single more shot goes in he's suddenly above average?

Rubio basically had 3 months of 35% shooting, 2 months of great shooting, and 2 months of really bad shooting. I hope we just get rid of those 2 really bad months next year.

Yes but he was consistent after the team pulled their **** together in JAN. We'll roll next season and Rubio will be key. I'd not care if he shoots 34% or 38%; these are not significant unless he starts attempting 6 threes ala Ingles.