Kanter and Nike Hoop Summit History

[Dr. Jones]

Is it a fact that he did not practice with the team for NEARLY entire year, outside of a few months?

With the 'team', yes. He could only practice one-on-one per NCAA guidelines, iirc.

 

[margodydek]

The only reason Kanter was considered a top HS recruit and the only reason he is being considered for top 3 selection is that great Summit game a year ago. Before that he was not considered anywhere near the top guy coming out of HS, and after that he did not play a competitive game and lost development time due to inability to not only play, but even practice with the team this year. To get a historical perspective of how top scorers from the World's team do in NBA, I looked at previous Summits starting at 1995. I am going to list top scorers from Worlds team, who got at least 15 points with their scores in parenthesis.

Here they are: Zemljic(22), Bogojevic(22), Palladino(16), I. Rakocevic (17), J. Victoriano (16), D. Nowitzki (33), M. Neilsen (23), V. Illijevski (19), Fotsis (15), T. Parker (20), O. Oyediji (19), L.Bogdanovic (20), Martynas Pocius (20), Sakota (15), M Tepic (16), Mouhamed Saer Sene (15), Batum (23), Motiejunas(21), Macvan (23), Enes Kanter (34).

Now, granted only Dirk and Kanter crossed 30, but if you look at this list in general, there are many guys who had terrific games at the Summit, but weren't even good enough to make it as a third stringer in NBA. Out of this entire list, only Dirk and Parker are starting caliber players. Batum is a good back-up, and others don't even belong in NBA. And these are top world team guys we are talking about here. Now, we have Kanter, whose only claim to fame was that he did great in that game. Even from US team, if you look, there are few (if any) guys who did great in that game who are actually deserving of top 3 pick. Casey Jacobsen put up 31 points, and he is not even NBA player.

The point is, this game historically, especially when you look at world's team, shows very little as far player's potential and worthiness of top selection. And yet that game is the only reason why Kanter is considered as the top pick.

I really think people are blowing the fact that he couldn't play last year out of proportion. The only result of that is the fact that he is now harder to evaluate. I would argue that the consensus #1 overall pick lost more "development" time/opportunities last year than Kanter.

 

[gregbroncs]

Is it a fact that he did not practice with the team for NEARLY entire year, outside of a few months?

College teams only practice for a bit anyway. So he was declared ineligible in october, When was he okayed to begin again. From october on that was only 5 months. So he missed a month or 2 of practice? I guarantee he was still working on his own during that time.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Maybe. I don't actually know that much about next years draft yet. However would you have said that there were going to be no PG's in this draft? Walker was going to be there but Irving and Knight may or may not have been.

I would have projected Knight as a lottery pick while he was a SR in HS ... #3, not sure about that ... but a definite lottery pick. There are NO kids in high school right now that have the credentials even close to Knight did.

 

[gregbroncs]

I really think people are blowing the fact that he couldn't play last year out of proportion. The only result of that is the fact that he is now harder to evaluate. I would argue that the consensus #1 overall pick lost more "development" time/opportunities last year than Kanter.

This. Irving did not play or practice for a ton of time because of injury. And he could not even work on his own he was injured.

 

[Borat]

Didn't someone just post on this board that Kanters greatness was compared to Rubios greatness back in 2008 when everyone thought he was a can't miss prospect.

I showed you hard stats of nearly all the people from the worlds team who did well in that game turned out to be busts (not just unworthy of top 3, but flat out not worthy of NBA), and 1 elite player. You also know Kanter has no other accomplishments that would justify high pick. The conclusion I feel is apparent. I am not sure about Rubio comparison. Last I checked Rubio played great in the best league in Europe, and is a starter for the best Euro team at young age. Kanter was not even a part of rotation in a poor Euro League sr team. There is enormous difference there.

 

[Dr. Jones]

This. Irving did not play or practice for a ton of time because of injury. And he could not even work on his own he was getting injured.

AND got fat.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I showed you hard stats of nearly all the people from the worlds team who did well in that game turned out to be busts (not just unworthy of top 3, but flat out not worthy of NBA), and 1 elite player. You also know Kanter has no other accomplishments that would justify high pick. The conclusion I feel is apparent. I am not sure about Rubio comparison. Last I checked Rubio played great in the best league in Europe, and is a starter for the best Euro team at young age. Kanter did not even a part of rotation in a poor Euro League sr team. There is enormous difference there.

Hilarious assessment of the tourney MVP.

 

[Borat]

Hilarious assessment of the tourney MVP.

What "tourney" are you talking about?

 

[sepanol]

does anyone realize that most of these players including parker made 20 pts, and 34 is 14 more than 20 which is a lot higher.
I dont say one game makes u a great player but at least it should prove u have high potential
Its a simple assessment but this is another simple assessment, Nowitzki scored 33, Kanter 34, so Kanter will be better player than Nowitzki.
I think my argument is less weak than implying Kanter will be one of those players in the list whom we dont even know where they r now.

And Jacobsen probably made that number against a weak group of internationals that year.,lets accept that american high school players (both individually and as a team_) is overwhelming to internationals every year. So having 34 pts against players like Sullinger, Barnes, Irving.. while having a couple of injections before the game due to illness, is not that bad
I still dont say that its enough to play one game to prove potential, but if u search his career stats, u will see its not the only reason he is considered to be a top 5 pick. He has really good numbers in youth european championships.
He played with Valanciunas like a cat plays with mouse

 

[Dr. Jones]

What "tourney" are you talking about?

The u18 euro

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

It should be noted that even though he didn't play last year he is in tip top shape which is a testament to his work ethic think Karl Malone he didn't come in a superstar he made himself one Kanter appears to have the same drive. That's one thing I would look at if I were a scout in the NBA.