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Eh.

He’s gonna get confirmed. Ford won’t testify on Thursday. When Democrats get back in power we’ll go to 11 justices. Then we get to have all this fun again!
 
JustTheTip said:
If Feinstein thinks he lied under oath, she’d attempt to charge him with perjury, no?
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It's nearly impossible to charge someone with perjury, wrt congressional testimony. It just doesn't happen. The bar for criminal perjury is much higher than simply being dishonest.
 
A former FBI agent weighs in.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/25/fbi-kavanaugh-allegations-220621

Based on my experience initiating these investigations, Dr. Blasey Ford’s allegation alone is sufficient basis for the FBI to launch a supplemental investigation into Kavanaugh. The nature of the allegation is extremely serious, and it would be beneficial for senators to have an impartial fact-finder take statements under oath in a non-adversarial setting from the accuser, the accused and individuals who may have witnessed or heard about the incident. The same goes for the second allegation, from Ms. Ramirez, and especially so because it suggests a pattern of misconduct.
 
JustTheTip said:
If what Ford says happened is a fact, then is what Kavanaugh said happened a fact as well?
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Consider the difference:
That Ford has described what happened to her is a fact.
What Ford says happened is a fact.

Let me know if you need more explanation of the difference.
 
Bulletproof said:
You are trying to EXCUSE someone in a current situation by pointing out a situation involving a retired President. I'm sorry that we don't think Bill Clinton is relevant to Kavanaugh's confirmation. But it's not. We didn't have to be up in arms in the early 90s in order to have a negative view of possible sexual assault now. The idea that we're being hypocrites is some silly ****.
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This seems so obvious. I don’t get why some people (basically trump apologists) can’t understand this concept.
 
fishonjazz said:
This seems so obvious. I don’t get why some people (basically trump apologists) can’t understand this concept.
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Well, I will respond that one as someone who very much dislikes Trump, and did not vote for him: I agree with the idea that past leaders actions generally aren't relevant to current issues, other to show a consistent pattern that our politicians vote for party and not what is right or reasonable)... I do see one other big issue with Clinton. All these people on this thread saying these women should be believed and respected (which I agree with, at least in Ford/Blasey's case-the Ramirez thing seems a bit iffy IMO based on her memory, but I am not discounting it and think an investigation should be done and will reserve judgment until a full investigation is done. Either way Kavanaugh seems a bit scummy, and pushing a vote through is not right). Yet, I am guessing many of these same people going after Kavanaugh voted for Hillary not that long ago and these Republicans defending Kavanaugh were bringing up Clinton's actions during Hillary's last run (which would have put Bill back in the White House, think he has changed his ways?) the woman who not only stood by and defended her husband time and time again after harrassing, raping, and taking advantage of women, she actually belittled and threatened these women. Yet these same Democrats who say these women deserve to be believed were silent about Hillary, and her actions, (verified by some witnesses regarding threats to Gennifer Flowers, and many similar allegations from other victims, including rape victim Juanita Broaddarick. I will give these victims the benefit of the doubt. And while Hillarys threats and defense are not on the same level as Bill's actions, they are pretty deplorable). I heard some people bring these issues up during the election, but it was driven by Republicans and largely discounted by Democrats. Oh how the tables have turned. So to me, Clinton isn't just an issue from the 90's. It is a classic example of how Americans generally turn a blind eye for our political parties and find some reason to justify this crap.

I find both Hillary and Trump to be repugnant, and am still disgusted that these are the choices we were given. And the democrats put Hillary forward twice!

Sadly Kavanaugh will likely get confirmed soon, and IMO should not be on the Sup. Ct., at least without a reasonable inquiry as to the allegations.

If you can't see the hypocrisy from both parties, you are blind or living in denial.
 
I don't remember **** about Republicans bringing up Hillary's defense of Bills sexual misconduct. I remember BNGHAZIIIIIIIIII and email servers and Vince Foster. Republicans were not focused on the sexual abuse angle, at all.
 
Bulletproof said:
I don't remember **** about Republicans bringing up Hillary's defense of Bills sexual misconduct. I remember BNGHAZIIIIIIIIII and email servers and Vince Foster. Republicans were not focused on the sexual abuse angle, at all.
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Those were all issues, but the Hillary/Bill thing was used a lot too, by Trump et al. Not sure why you don't remember, it was all over. Reported quire widely, especially close to the election. And largely attenuated/spun by much of the liberal media from the viewpoint that Trump abuses women). https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/opin...ion-campaign-scandals-bill-clinton/index.html

I appreciate CNN's comment about the 2016 election:

"In the 2016 election, we are seeing once again that the public is more interested in the need to fix the economy and Washington than they are with the personal lives of most of the candidates in this campaign, at least those who don't claim any kind of special personal virtue" I don't see CNN spinning sex scandals that way now. Wonder why? (I am sure Foxnews has done a 180 from 2016 as well).

I remember hearing about it a lot leading up to the election.


"Already this election season, Trump has called Bill Clinton the "greatest woman abuser of all time" and pointed the finger at Hillary Clinton for what he has described as enabling her husband's sexual misdeeds and attacking the women who came forward against him."




https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/trump-clinton-sex-then-vs-now/index.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...econd-presidential-debate-nasty-a7341061.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...illary-was-complicit-in-his-sexual-misconduct

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...llary_do_--_and_why_did_she_do_it_129787.html
 
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