Keillor and MeToo

[Handlogten's Heros]

It bothers me when such broad statements are made. It makes me feel like myself, my family, my friends, and all the other good people in the country are being accused. There are parts of society that are worse than others, but many (if not most) aspects of society treat women fairly and with respect.

I generally think the best of people... but I do think women get unwanted attention all the time and harassment is so prevalent that a societal reset is needed... for those that are decent just keep being decent and help others be decent.

 

[Getting Traded]

First, stop saying it was only her word against him. There was other evidence (hand written notes, emails, texts, coworkers who were aware, other women who also had issues, etc.). He also refused to give evidence that would have countered the evidence against him (emails, texts, computer).

Second, they did give him the right to tell his side of the story, and then decided he was lying. Furthermore, his story has changed over time. Originally, it was that he only touched her back while trying to console her. Now he says that it happened, but it was okay because he was not in a position of power at the show and there was mutual interest. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-as-romantic-writing/?utm_term=.80c278c7e087

Interesting piece of info from the article, the woman told Keillor and others at the show that the advances were unwelcome all the way back in 2011. By 2015 she had made 4 other reports. Does this sound like the man was punished without proof?

Guess you didn't read the same article as me. Who were the other coworkers, who were the other women who had issues. If you read between the lines, the notes, emails and texts all came from one woman, because no others are identified. They fired him before he had a chance to tell his story. Show me in the article where it says otherwise? Quote it. I did say I believed the woman was legit -- the one woman. Try to be more analytical rather than hysterical.

 

[Getting Traded]

I generally think the best of people... but I do think women get unwanted attention all the time and harassment is so prevalent that a societal reset is needed... for those that are decent just keep being decent and help others be decent.

And I never said otherwise. I'm talking about accusing people without proof and then everyone jumping on and assuming guilt. That's my beef because there has been plenty of that --- in fact, mostly that.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

because there has been plenty of that --- in fact, mostly that

Stop lying.

 

[Getting Traded]

It’s pretty easy be a decent human and respect boundaries... can’t control yourself and we’ve got a place for you.

I probably go a bit overboard but I flat out just don’t hug co workers or my wives friends unless they clearly signal a hug is in order... I’d rather be a little cold than have someone misinterpret something.

I had a friend (past tense) that got a little touchy feely... hugs and other seemingly “non-threatening” touching. Then hands would occasionally wander and he’d offer casual compliments... had enough creeper vibes that I didn’t want to be around him and didn’t want anyone I care about around him. Maybe he meant well but I don’t give the benefit of the doubt anymore and I’m certainly not gonna be that guy.

I feel the same and I'm not married.

 

[Getting Traded]

Stop lying.

I am as honest as the day is long. In fact, probably too honest or haven't you read my posts in the past. I am too open and I get skewered for it. This is my honest opinion. Could I be wrong, perhaps, but I think there is at least a sliver of truth in what I say.

 

[b_line]

Did I miss something? What the hell was he convicted of without a trial?

Of course, he doesn't have a job anymore, because capitalism.

Ernie meanie is a dumbass

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I am as honest as the day is long. In fact, probably too honest or haven't you read my posts in the past. I am too open and I get skewered for it. This is my honest opinion. Could I be wrong, perhaps, but I think there is at least a sliver of truth in what I say.

Then don't say dumb ******** like "most claims are false."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

 

[Gameface]

... I'm not married.

Shocker!

 

[Getting Traded]

I mean, if one in four women are being harassed or worse, that's a problem with society at large. It's too bad that good people of society get lumped into the group. And a woman who has absolutely nothing to fear might feel weird if me and her were walking towards each other on an empty street at night. But that's how it is. And why it's important that we try to change things. And when a women speaks out don't immediately bring the burden of proof down on them. Do you know how hard it is to prove something like that?

Is Kavanaugh guilty? We can't know with 100% certainty. Do I trust the women, and other people who have spoken out against him enough that I don't want the dude to be a supreme court justice? Absolutely.

So tell me where those 1 in 4 stats come from and how do you know they are reliable. You have a source? I would say that maybe there are 1 in 4 women who are attractive enough to excite desire in men but not all men are going to harass them. Unless maybe you are a mentally-ill person like Cosby or Jerry Sandusky, and the latter didn't like women.

 

[b_line]

Lol, the dude is talking about English common law like he understands his things work.

It is literally because of the current social contract that we have at will employment. Keillor can leave a job any time, and be fired any time. This isn't a ****ing courtroom.

 

[Getting Traded]

Then don't say dumb ******** like "most claims are false."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

When did I say most claims are false -- I said most claims don't have evidence -- you're putting words in my mouth. That article doesn't make a case anywhere that most claims are true, either. Furthermore, while I didn't support Kavanaugh, I don't believe Ford. I think this was an engineered ploy to prevent his nomination, which on the other hand, I opposed.