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Police shoot security guard who stopped a shooter

As I always say, more guns, more people die. In UK, where the police wield billy clubs, this wouldn't haven't happened, and more than likely no one in the bar would've had guns in their possession because of their gun control laws.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
As I always say, more guns, more people die. In UK, where the police wield billy clubs, this wouldn't haven't happened, and more than likely no one in the bar would've had guns in their possession because of their gun control laws.
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Do they? I was in London not long ago, and I'm pretty sure I saw armed police.
 
JazzGal said:
This is my concern about the "good guy with a gun" theory, because he will look like a bad guy to the police.

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Would also look like a bad guy to other “good guys with guns” if there are any.
 
JazzGal said:
This is my concern about the "good guy with a gun" theory, because he will look like a bad guy to the police.
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That was my thought as I posted it. This wan't even just some other guy, he was the paid staff doing his job.
 
Alfalfa said:
I'm not sure. Some of them do carry fire arms tho. Specially around important government buildings and such.
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Like I said, most. But around government buildings, etc, considering the threat of terrorists, it would make sense that they would be armed, don't you think? I did some research and found that from 2015-2016, in the UK with 60 million people, 3 were killed by gunfire from police and on average 50-60 die from gunfire each year in the UK. Compare to U.S. where the numbers are about 1,000 killed by police and 10,000 total in the U.S. Now which country has gun control laws? It's just insane what is going on in the U.S. I blame the NRA and the millions they donate to politicians campaign funds for the inability to pass sane gun control laws, and that does not mean taking guns away from people, but keeping them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Like I said, most. But around government buildings, etc, considering the threat of terrorists, it would make sense that they would be armed, don't you think? I did some research and found that from 2015-2016, in the UK with 60 million people, 3 were killed by gunfire from police and on average 50-60 die from gunfire each year in the UK. Compare to U.S. where the numbers are about 1,000 killed by police and 10,000 total in the U.S. Now which country has gun control laws? It's just insane what is going on in the U.S. I blame the NRA and the millions they donate to politicians campaign funds for the inability to pass sane gun control laws, and that does not mean taking guns away from people, but keeping them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
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Ya, I don't really disagree with that.
 
So how do you plan on changing Gun culture in America to be like gun culture in the UK?
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Keep us updated if there is any. Sounds like manslaughter charges should be pressed.
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The officer is on administrative leave, and a lawsuit is being filed. I would not expect charges to be pressed, you have to fairly egregious to have charges pressed against you as an officer on duty.
 
One Brow said:
The officer is on administrative leave, and a lawsuit is being filed. I would not expect charges to be pressed, you have to fairly egregious to have charges pressed against you as an officer on duty.
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Not an argument with anything you said but how is this not egregious? Showing up armed with authority is in no way a license to kill on first instinct. Seeing a gun pointed at another is no reason to justify shoot first, question later.

I'm pretty sure you agree with that and are just advancing the discussion a bit. That cop shooting in San Antonio, Texas IIRC of the grandfather who killed the attacker inside his home, I can chalk that unfortunate incident up to a bad decision by a cop that was based on circumstantial information, although even that one takes some mental gymnastics and an extremely soft heart. I can forgive that cop, though it's not my place. With this one I see nothing more than trigger happy or scared or inability to process in real time and thus unfit for duty in the first place.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Not an argument with anything you said but how is this not egregious? Showing up armed with authority is in no way a license to kill on first instinct. Seeing a gun pointed at another is no reason to justify shoot first, question later.

I'm pretty sure you agree with that and are just advancing the discussion a bit. That cop shooting in San Antonio, Texas IIRC of the grandfather who killed the attacker inside his home, I can chalk that unfortunate incident up to a bad decision by a cop that was based on circumstantial information, although even that one takes some mental gymnastics and an extremely soft heart. I can forgive that cop, though it's not my place. With this one I see nothing more than trigger happy or scared or inability to process in real time and thus unfit for duty in the first place.
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You're right, I don't disagree with you at all. However, we have seen too many national cases of trigger-happy/scared/slow-thinking police who have killed people that posed no immediate threat at all and were not prosecuted. Every jurisdiction is different, but generally these killings are not prosecuted.
 
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