How big a cause for concern about Knight?

[jimmy eat jazz]

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but take a look at this link:

https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30332/get-to-the-point-knight-vs-walker

I'm not one to over-emphasize a single statistic (I think they're most useful when considered with other stats and other 'soft' considerations), but this really jumps out at me. According to this measure of PG productivity, Knight is not only bad, he's really, really bad. This gives me some pause, and I find myself leaning a bit more toward Kanter now (although I go back and forth on the two like a yo-yo--I've conceded that the Jazz will take one of these two at #3).

I don't have the context to understand just how useful this particular stat is, but in any event, it is troubling. I want to hit a homerun at #3. Geez, is there any 'safe' (low risk, high reward) pick in this draft?

 

[Qman]

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but take a look at this link:

https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30332/get-to-the-point-knight-vs-walker

I'm not one to over-emphasize a single statistic (I think they're most useful when considered with other stats and other 'soft' considerations), but this really jumps out at me. According to this measure of PG productivity, Knight is not only bad, he's really, really bad. This gives me some pause, and I find myself leaning a bit more toward Kanter now (although I go back and forth on the two like a yo-yo--I've conceded that the Jazz will take one of these two at #3).

I don't have the context to understand just how useful this particular stat is, but in any event, it is troubling. I want to hit a homerun at #3. Geez, is there any 'safe' (low risk, high reward) pick in this draft?

The interesting thing I remember is people said the same thing about Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans when they played for Calipari. I think some of it is Knight and some of is Calipari's system.

 

[Dr. Jones]

We discussed this at length in a couple other threads. Calipari's system does not produce steals or blocks (too much gambling on defense) and it throws off this particular formula for rating players.

 

[billyshelby]

It's been said Knight got better as the season progressed. I'm just doing this on the back of a napkin, but if you start from Mississippi St. on 2/15, his final 14 games including the tournament, he had 71 assists and 41 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.7.

In the 24 games before that, he had 91 assists and 81 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.1

That's a pretty sharp improvement. Walker had a A/T of 2.0 this season. But he was a junior. As a Freshman he was 1.6. And as a sophomore, when he played the same minutes that Knight did last year, he was 1.7.

 

[cowhide]

I am not that excited about any of the PGs. I think they all have a lot to proven and all three have major holes in their games.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I am not that excited about any of the PGs. I think they all have a lot to proven and all three have major holes in their games.

Insert, PG's, SG's, SF's, PF's, and C's.

 

[Qman]

It's been said Knight got better as the season progressed. I'm just doing this on the back of a napkin, but if you start from Mississippi St. on 2/15, his final 14 games including the tournament, he had 71 assists and 41 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.7.

In the 24 games before that, he had 91 assists and 81 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.1

That's a pretty sharp improvement. Walker had a A/T of 2.0 this season. But he was a junior. As a Freshman he was 1.6. And as a sophomore, when he played the same minutes that Knight did last year, he was 1.7.

I haven't watched all the games but there was a lot of talk about Calipari finally putting in some pick and roll action for Knight late in the season.

 

[Fishsticks]

It's been said Knight got better as the season progressed. I'm just doing this on the back of a napkin, but if you start from Mississippi St. on 2/15, his final 14 games including the tournament, he had 71 assists and 41 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.7.

In the 24 games before that, he had 91 assists and 81 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.1

That's a pretty sharp improvement. Walker had a A/T of 2.0 this season. But he was a junior. As a Freshman he was 1.6. And as a sophomore, when he played the same minutes that Knight did last year, he was 1.7.

Thanks for doing that. I watched alot of games and you could see his improvement every week. Nice to see stats to show it.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

It's been said Knight got better as the season progressed. I'm just doing this on the back of a napkin, but if you start from Mississippi St. on 2/15, his final 14 games including the tournament, he had 71 assists and 41 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.7.

In the 24 games before that, he had 91 assists and 81 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.1

That's a pretty sharp improvement. Walker had a A/T of 2.0 this season. But he was a junior. As a Freshman he was 1.6. And as a sophomore, when he played the same minutes that Knight did last year, he was 1.7.

Makes some sense. These guys were pretty much all brand new with each other. Takes time to jell.

 

[orangello]

Here are a few things to remember.

Knight was terrible the first half of the season. He looked out of place and looked like he could never get comfortable on the court. By the end of the year he was a completely different player. If they were to take the last 10 games fo the seaosn for those numbers it would be very different.

This was Knights first year at playing the PG position. He had never done it before but he was willing to take on the challange. I think that he conquered that challange because of the improvements that he made by seasons end. Kemba has always been a PG.

Kemba is also 21 and Knight is 19. If you were to look at Kemba's production his forst year in college you would take Knight everytime.

Knight might take a year to get his bearings straight. In year two he will start to really figure things out. In year three, every Jazz fan will be happy that he is here.

 

[somebody]

his final 14 games including the tournament, he had 71 assists and 41 TO's. That's an A/T of 1.7. . . . That's a pretty sharp improvement.

Knight was terrible the first half of the season. He looked out of place and looked like he could never get comfortable on the court. By the end of the year he was a completely different player. If they were to take the last 10 games fo the seaosn for those numbers it would be very different.

It seems like I post this graph a lot. Brandon Knight's season FG% (red line average):

When he bloomed into the mythical pegasus at the end of the season he was averaging something like .32 FG%. It didn't matter that he went 0-7 throughout most of his first national tournament game (and had to be benched, even, for his atrociousness) because he came in at the last second and made a Sundiata lay-up—hurray for the champion. Stats mean nothing, you had to have actually been there when he made his lay-up. It was excitement! My friend Henry said it was the greatest day of his life. You just can't pass up that kind of player. He saved the game from the atrocious play of his teammates.