Korver is trash

[latin jazz]

That question you ask is why I say that DL's negotiation skills suck. Listen up,
Korver is great for the Jazz and our system, it makes sense for us to have inquired about him with the Cavs.
There were many teams going after Korver after he requested a trade to the Cavs management.
The Jazz were not the only team to send the Cavs a trade proposition to acquire Korver.
The Jazz outbid the other teams, because instead of negotiating, they gave up far more than what any other team offered.
Negotiation definition: "Bargaining (give and take) process between two or more parties (each with its own aims, needs, and viewpoints) seeking to discover a common ground and reach an agreement to settle a matter of mutual concern or resolve a conflict."
My argument is, I know that we could've acquired Korver to the Jazz, giving up less assets, with stronger negotiating skills. It's not that we gave up Burks to get him, it's that we gave up not one, but two 2nd round picks to get Korver who is 37 years old. I have no doubt that he will be a solid player for the next 2 years, but two 2nd rounders and a guy who's a talented 27 year old, for Korver is crazy. Of course the Cavs agreed.
2nd rounders are valuable and they are there for negotiations, but not with guys that could retire any day, no matter how talented they are.

1. I didn't ask that question. Agree with how great Korver is.
2. Lol at the negotiation definition. I'm quite certain most people is aware of what negotiation means. And if you take Larry Susskind's definition (who happened to be my professor at MIT and whose definition is far more complete), it's not only about creating common ground, but to create more value for both and stable outcomes (which in my opinion is quite important in a league where reputation and personal relationships between GMs are quite important for dealing - you don't want to become the next Ainge, Hinkie or @LoPo ...love ya Lopo).
3. How can you possibly know that "we could've acquired Korver to the Jazz, giving up less assets"? Are you aware of all the offers the Cavs received? What the conversations were?. Korver gave the Cavs a list of preferred destinations. What if the Cavs had better offers (better prospects, picks) but decided to send Korver to the Jazz as a way for Altman (new GM) to create goodwill and a good image for others to see (GMs, player agents, free agents). Unlikely but possible.
4. All in all, your assessment of DL negotiation's skills is based on speculation. We will never know if the Jazz outbid others teams by a wide margin or any whatsoever, as I said in my previous point. Given equal offers, the Cavs maybe decided to deal with us. We can only judge the outcome of a trade, not the process. For that we need information we will never have.

 

[Watcher]

Nice article. In the postgame show the other day Snyder mentioned that Kyle knows why he made or missed every shot he takes. He takes it very seriously.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/01/18/legend-distance-nearing/



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[LogGrad98]

DownUnder. Crocodile Dante is Xthren.

Australia, crocodiles, it's all the same.

 

[LogGrad98]

1. I didn't ask that question. Agree with how great Korver is.
2. Lol at the negotiation definition. I'm quite certain most people is aware of what negotiation means. And if you take Larry Susskind's definition (who happened to be my professor at MIT and whose definition is far more complete), it's not only about creating common ground, but to create more value for both and stable outcomes (which in my opinion is quite important in a league where reputation and personal relationships between GMs are quite important for dealing - you don't want to become the next Ainge, Hinkie or @LoPo ...love ya Lopo).
3. How can you possibly know that "we could've acquired Korver to the Jazz, giving up less assets"? Are you aware of all the offers the Cavs received? What the conversations were?. Korver gave the Cavs a list of preferred destinations. What if the Cavs had better offers (better prospects, picks) but decided to send Korver to the Jazz as a way for Altman (new GM) to create goodwill and a good image for others to see (GMs, player agents, free agents). Unlikely but possible.
4. All in all, your assessment of DL negotiation's skills is based on speculation. We will never know if the Jazz outbid others teams by a wide margin or any whatsoever, as I said in my previous point. Given equal offers, the Cavs maybe decided to deal with us. We can only judge the outcome of a trade, not the process. For that we need information we will never have.

I am probably wrong but I read all this as people believe we simply paid too much regardless of how the negotiations went. Yeah we won the bid but it is possible to win the bid by a narrow margin and still pay too much. I personally think the trade was good and benefited both teams. Love having Korver here.

 

[carolinajazz]

I am probably wrong but I read all this as people believe we simply paid too much regardless of how the negotiations went. Yeah we won the bid but it is possible to win the bid by a narrow margin and still pay too much. I personally think the trade was good and benefited both teams. Love having Korver here.

Korver was born to play for the Jazz! Knows how to run plays, how to use a pick and screens, rarely if ever, forces a shot, a consummate team player and thrives as a wide open shooter!

 

[infection]

Australia, crocodiles, it's all the same.

It took me well over a year to realize Crocodile Dante was supposed to be a homophone for Crocodile Dundee.

 

[Hotdog]

0-5 from threee
Worst plus minus on the team
The L

Played 2 more minutes than his average. Probably 2 too many.

And of course this

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

0-5 from threee
Worst plus minus on the team
The L

Played 2 more minutes than his average. Probably 2 too many.

And of course this

He was quite bad... but he was still better than AB was so....

 

[Hotdog]

He was quite bad... but he was still better than AB was so....

My point has never been than AB is better. Ive been down on AB for a long time. Using him as an argument is more about just crap arguing.

My main point Ive tried to get across is that this trade is just a colossal waste of time. I dont think he makes us any better than we were with AB.

As insignificant as 2 rounders and the 1 year of extra cap may seem, to me its still something in the grand scheme things. It made it just that much harder to make a trade with real significance.

 

[Shad]

0-5 from threee
Worst plus minus on the team
The L

Played 2 more minutes than his average. Probably 2 too many.

And of course this

So you say +/- doesn't tell anything when someone brings up Burks but then you go and bring it up about Korver :thinking:

 

[Hotdog]

So you say +/- doesn't tell anything when someone brings up Burks but then you go and bring it up about Korver :thinking:

I don't think it says anything. But if that's the language of the arguments I go against, I might as well use it when its in my favor.

 

[jom2003]

landry shamet is now officially over 40% from deep this season and he could easily be had on cheap rookie deal for the next 3yr. good chance that korver'd be retired and grayson'd be out of this league by then