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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

LoPo said:
This is simple - if Tobias shows any sign that he might walk this summer, he doesn't have that much value to LA. If Tobias shows interest in Utah again (he already has once) then other teams might not bid against us for fear he might just go to us in the summer.

Favors and a 1st is damn good value for a guy who leaves in a few months. If anything, the question will be about us not just waiting instead of making the trade.

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Has he shown any interest in walking? He seemingly loves it there and is having a career year...

The question is definitely if they have a deal in place with a superstar already. If they don't, he ain't getting traded for that package.
 
Anyone like Jabari Parker as a trade option besides me? He's been playing better as of late and he's still only 23 years old. I know he's injury prone but he has a lot of talent and if he can get back to where he was before injuries, he could be a great addition to the Jazz.
 
MDAV28 said:
Um 100% they would want Tobias.... wouldn't we? We can't have it both ways. He's valuable to us, but not to them? Valuable plays are valuable regardless.

I think we are in agreement. They would move Tobias if they had a guarantee from another player. But they wouldn't move him for a middling package. Which is why if they moved Tobias I would be very concerned if I were Toronto, Golden State, Philadelphia, etc.
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I think they like him but if they do pursue two of the max free agents as the reports suggest they will... that pursuit likely costs them Harris... he won’t and shouldn’t wait. They may chicken out though and focus on retaining him and getting Kawhi.

I also think Favs in the right situation ain’t much worse than Tobias. Just we can use his abilities to the fullest cuz our best player plays his position.

Signing Tobias and another FA also locks them in. The Favs deal if they missed in a big FA they can run it back with Favs Gallo Kawhi and try again the next year on one of those max FAs. They could move Harris but on a 4-5 year max he may not return a big asset or may sustain an injury and mess up your bigger plans.

There is just a lot of moving parts so maybe they’d accept a more concrete contingency plan and it’s consequences. They might say piss off... they might trade Gallo then they can go for two max guys and retain Harris caphold... who knows... I don’t think Favs and a first is completely unfair or offbase given their plans.
 
MDAV28 said:
Has he shown any interest in walking? He seemingly loves it there and is having a career year...

The question is definitely if they have a deal in place with a superstar already. If they don't, he ain't getting traded for that package.
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He has a career year every year... it’s the kind of worker he is.

They won’t have something sealed and done until FA... they can have some assurances but can’t trust those a ton.
 
MDAV28 said:
They'd trade Gallo before Harris. UFA and all.
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Probably true. Easier to waive Harris caphold if you need the space than it is to trade Gallo.
 
LoPo said:
This is simple - if Tobias shows any sign that he might walk this summer, he doesn't have that much value to LA. If Tobias shows interest in Utah again (he already has once) then other teams might not bid against us for fear he might just go to us in the summer.

Favors and a 1st is damn good value for a guy who leaves in a few months. If anything, the question will be about us not just waiting instead of making the trade.

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When had Tobias shown interest in Utah?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they like him but if they do pursue two of the max free agents as the reports suggest they will... that pursuit likely costs them Harris... he won’t and shouldn’t wait. They may chicken out though and focus on retaining him and getting Kawhi.

I also think Favs in the right situation ain’t much worse than Tobias. Just we can use his abilities to the fullest cuz our best player plays his position.

Signing Tobias and another FA also locks them in. The Favs deal if they missed in a big FA they can run it back with Favs Gallo Kawhi and try again the next year on one of those max FAs. They could move Harris but on a 4-5 year max he may not return a big asset or may sustain an injury and mess up your bigger plans.

There is just a lot of moving parts so maybe they’d accept a more concrete contingency plan and it’s consequences. They might say piss off... they might trade Gallo then they can go for two max guys and retain Harris caphold... who knows... I don’t think Favs and a first is completely unfair or offbase given their plans.
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Again, I think we are in agreement except that it would take much more to move him. There's risk with every UFA. If you trade all those guys for middling assets you aren't getting anywhere as a franchise.
 
LA offered Tobias a $20 million extension last summer. Do we even know if they want to give him $30+ in the summer?

Yes, he has played well this year but it's not like he carries the name recognition of Butler, Kawhi, KD, etc. This is LA we are talking about. He is good, but he is not a star.

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LoPo said:
LA offered Tobias a $20 million extension last summer. Do we even know if they want to give him $30+ in the summer?

Yes, he has played well this year but it's not like he carries the name recognition of Butler, Kawhi, KD, etc. This is LA we are talking about. He is good, but he is not a star.

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That's all they could offer by my understanding of Veteran Extensions.
 
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