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LOL; calm down, TT; I forgot SLOAN's not here any more... Seriously, minutes for the rooks should increase fairly quickly as they better digest the Jazz system. I'm talking day 1 minutes in my earlier post. At least I'm getting them minutes right away, which they likely wouldn't have gotten from Sloan. Definitely agree they need GAME experience to get better, and I think Ty with give them enough minutes in games to grow as the season progresses.
 
Twin Towers said:
This crap about not playing these young guys because there young is moronic.

We aren't contending and have no chance at contending. So why make them sit the bench? Do you guys really think they are somehow going to develop by never playing consistent minutes?

This old Jazz mindset is horrible. Do you guys realize that Jerry Sloan NEVER developed prospects because of this? We never took a young player without experience and developed him in practice.

The only time young guys were effective were when they were NBA ready. No teenager was developed properly by Sloan. And its all because they never got playing time.

Burks should play 25 minutes next year. Favors should play over 30 minutes next year. Kanter should play 25 minutes next year. Hayward should play 30 minutes next year. GIVE THEM EXPERIENCE! Nobody develops in practice. They refine there game in practice. But they don't develop there.

Trade the guys that are in the way of those 4 young core players.

Millsap needs to go. Bell needs to go.
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Just what I have been thinking too. The Jazz say they want to contend for a playoff spot but that is not oging to help this team at all. The Jazz Nation is smart enough to know that it might take a losing season to get some great playing time for the young players but the young core that they have aquired is very very strong right now. It is a little funny to me that the Jazz have stong young players at every position except PG.

The only change I would make to youe post is to trade Jefferson and his atrocious contract. He is good but he is slow and not defensive minded at all. The Jazz were one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and I point directly to Jefferson for that. Kanter has all the same offensive weapons (need to be a little refinded) with the addition of a 20 ft jumper that Jefferson doesn't have. Save money and develop young talent. Time to trade Jefferson and Miles.
 
GVC said:
Big Al + Millsap for Dwight Howard.
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If Jefferson comes into camp in much, much better shape like the rumors suggest (two months working out in CA), and he has a career year, AND the Howard/Orlando situation becomes even more contentious, do you think there's any way we could work a trade (with Howard being extended in the deal) of Jefferson and Millsap and maybe one or two future 1sts, for him? I think it's going to be difficult to find more than that for him, no?

Note: I'm pretty sure your post was entirely sarcastic and realize the notion of Howard accepting an extension to play in Utah sounds insane but...
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
If Jefferson comes into camp in much, much better shape like the rumors suggest (two months working out in CA), and he has a career year, AND the Howard/Orlando situation becomes even more contentious, do you think there's any way we could work a trade (with Howard being extended in the deal) of Jefferson and Millsap and maybe one or two future 1sts, for him? I think it's going to be difficult to find more than that for him, no?

Note: I'm pretty sure your post was entirely sarcastic and realize the notion of Howard accepting an extension to play in Utah sounds insane but...
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Just to go along with your thoughts...

If at some point Howard tells Orlando he isn't resigning Orlando will want to get something back. I think we are one of only a few teams that could come up with a good enough package to get Howard, but I only do this if Howard agrees to a new deal to keep him in Utah.
 
Twin Towers said:
This old Jazz mindset is horrible. Do you guys realize that Jerry Sloan NEVER developed prospects because of this? We never took a young player without experience and developed him in practice.

The only time young guys were effective were when they were NBA ready. No teenager was developed properly by Sloan. And its all because they never got playing time.

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Nonsense. who were those great talented teenagers whom we failed to develop? what did they do elsewhere?
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
If Jefferson comes into camp in much, much better shape like the rumors suggest (two months working out in CA), and he has a career year, AND the Howard/Orlando situation becomes even more contentious, do you think there's any way we could work a trade (with Howard being extended in the deal) of Jefferson and Millsap and maybe one or two future 1sts, for him? I think it's going to be difficult to find more than that for him, no?

Note: I'm pretty sure your post was entirely sarcastic and realize the notion of Howard accepting an extension to play in Utah sounds insane but...
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Only if we insanely good when we trade for him. Howard in Utah would be funny. I think we would have to give up our Golden State 2012 pick too.
 
vj_74 said:
Nonsense. who were those great talented teenagers whom we failed to develop? what did they do elsewhere?
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Sloan never played Miles in the beginning or Fesenko or Koufos. But I am sure you all will say they sucked. Maybe they would of but we never found out because they sat the bench Favors should of been playing 25 minutes an night. Instead he barely played.

Dwight Howard was more raw coming into the league and had more foul problems than Favors did. We just expect our prospects to not make mistakes. When that is how they learn. Sloan never played any of those guys above consistent minutes. They screwed up and we wouldn't see them for 10 games.

Look at all of those guys who came into the league early that became successful. All of them played a lot in there first couple of years. Made a lot of bad decisions but improved upon them. We complain they come out of college too early because they needed more experience. So we draft them and make them sit the bench when experience is what we needed them to have in the first place? Makes no sense.

When I say Sloan ruined the prospects. He ruined there development. Key word ruined. So they never developed in time. Its a waste of a draft pick no matter where they are drafted if you are not going to play a prospect.
 
Twin Towers said:
Sloan never played Miles in the beginning or Fesenko or Koufos. But I am sure you all will say they sucked. Maybe they would of but we never found out because they sat the bench Favors should of been playing 25 minutes an night. Instead he barely played.

Dwight Howard was more raw coming into the league and had more foul problems than Favors did. We just expect our prospects to not make mistakes. When that is how they learn. Sloan never played any of those guys above consistent minutes. They screwed up and we wouldn't see them for 10 games.

Look at all of those guys who came into the league early that became successful. All of them played a lot in there first couple of years. Made a lot of bad decisions but improved upon them. We complain they come out of college too early because they needed more experience. So we draft them and make them sit the bench when experience is what we needed them to have in the first place? Makes no sense.

When I say Sloan ruined the prospects. He ruined there development. Key word ruined. So they never developed in time. Its a waste of a draft pick no matter where they are drafted if you are not going to play a prospect.
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You are having the same thoughts that I am. Just because we play the young guys 20 or so minutes anight doesn't mean that the Jazz don't care. I want the new young guys to get all of the time that they can. I am willing to go through the losses. It is time we take a step back and develop young players instead of "ruining" them.
 
I expect at least one trade. Maybe two. We need a veteran SF, someone crafty who can be a mentor to Hay and Burks. I like the idea of Granger more and more.
 
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