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Grayson Allen

I hope you're right but I think this was another Oliver Hanlan or Nigel Williams Goss swing and a miss by the front office.
 
I wasn’t a big fan of the pick but I’m strangely encouraged when I watch him. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’s uncomfortable/spastic.

He gets past guys and I think he’s a shooter. He may not be a starter level player at some point but I have a hard time believing he won’t be a rotation nba player. I think he has a high floor and decent ceiling.
 
When I watch Grayson I’m encourage on how he moves... his shot form... and he gets where he wants to. Most of his problems are being in the wrong spot or not knowing what to do when he gets past the first level of defense.

If he gets comfortable and plays with confidence the other stuff would start to look much better... that all comes with playing time imo. I think he’s a worker and a competitor and I think the vets will help him get there. I get the pick and am cool with it... some other guys I’d rather have but didn’t really call them out at the time... ain’t fair to judge with hindsight.
 
homeytennis said:
I was looking at Bradley's GLeague stats. No 3 point shots and shooting sub 50% from the foul line. Willie Reed kicked sand in Bradley's face.
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Ya, a total waste of a pick. Should've been cut, and another player who can actually help should've been picked up (like Ellington).
 
Thabo and Grayson have played almost the exact same minutes this year. When they do play, they play almost the exact same minutes per game. Thabo makes 3x as much as Grayson and has 10+ years of NBA experience.

Why do we spend so much time complaining about guys who don't really matter?

Grayson wasn't expected to do anything this year. We haven't made any decision yet which requires him to play a prominent role.


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He wasn't good at duke. He's undersized, and he's never consistently displayed in game athleticism. Was a always an inconsistent shooter. Because of these things, he came in with the deck stacked against him. The jazz basically drafted tony Bradley two years in a row. If he ever becomes a rotation player in the league, it will be a surprise.
 
The Thriller said:
What nba skill or skills does Allen possess?
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Basketball IQ, decent handles, the ability to get into the paint, shooting(college), athleticism.

He was the 21st pick. The chances of him becoming a major piece are extremely slim. The chances of him improving and becoming a role bench player are semi high People need the have a little patience. Put him on a team that can afford him to struggle and I bet he has a much better season.

People must be too young to remember how Sloan handled rookies.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Basketball IQ, decent handles, the ability to get into the paint, shooting(college), athleticism.

He was the 21st pick. The chances of him becoming a major piece are extremely slim. The chances of him improving and becoming a role bench player are semi high People need the have a little patience. Put him on a team that can afford him to struggle and I bet he has a much better season.

People must be too young to remember how Sloan handled rookies.
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So you’re using Sloan’s handling of rookies as reason to have patience with Allen or attack Sloan for neglecting to use correctly rookies? Please clarify.

Who claimed disappointment in him not being a “major piece?”

You seem to have some conflicting arguments here. On one hand you claim he’s the 21st pick and expectations should be kept low yet claim if he were given more time/play for a bad team that he’d have a bigger role and theoretically be better.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
He wasn't good at duke. He's undersized, and he's never consistently displayed in game athleticism. Was a always an inconsistent shooter. Because of these things, he came in with the deck stacked against him. The jazz basically drafted tony Bradley two years in a row. If he ever becomes a rotation player in the league, it will be a surprise.
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The reasonable comparison for this guy would be Trey Lyles. A theoretically good player who does not do one thing at NBA level.
 
The Thriller said:
So you’re using Sloan’s handling of rookies as reason to have patience with Allen or attack Sloan for neglecting to use correctly rookies? Please clarify.

Who claimed disappointment in him not being a “major piece?”

You seem to have some conflicting arguments here. On one had you claim he’s the 21st pick and expectations should be kept low yet claim if he were given more time/play for a bad team that he’d have a bigger role and theoretically be better.
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Not conflicting at all. Utah can't afford to let him play through rookie mistakes while other teams could. With more playing time comes more development. If he played for Phoenix they would have nothing to lose by playing him. He would get more minutes and in return learn small nuances of the NBA game that he's not afforded to do with our playoff roster.

As for Sloan, a little but of both. I think some players should have played more but at the same time he had good reason not to play certain guys.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Not conflicting at all. Utah can't afford to let him play through rookie mistakes while other teams could. With more playing time comes more development. If he played for Phoenix they would have nothing to lose by playing him. He would get more minutes and in return learn small nuances of the NBA game that he's not afforded to do with our playoff roster.

As for Sloan, a little but of both. I think some players should have played more but at the same time he had good reason not to play certain guys.
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What rookies under Sloan should’ve played more?

So you think Allen has potential but just needs more development? Wasn’t he an older player who spent more time developing in school? Or is he a good player already but cannot shine because he has better players in front of him?

What nba skills do you see him possessing?
 
jom2003 said:
Hayward dropped 34 on Kobe his rookie year. We'd be lucky to see Allen crack 14 pt one day.
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Fair enough but Hayward got a ton of burn prepping him for that meaningless moment.

Allen has splinters in his *** he’s ridden so much pine.
 
Grayson's combine showed he has what it takes to be a contributor on both sides of the ball.

Although his numbers are bad (as others have mentioned), he's a hard-worker and from what I've seen (in college) he so hated losing he tended to overreact. This leads me to believe he'll continue to work hard to improve and not be a lazy POS like Trey Lyles.
 
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