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Stoked said:
You make a compelling argument but for some their vigilance is fueled by “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Not all citizen involvement is equal. It needs to be taken case by case.

For you it’s involvement. For some others on here it’s derangement.
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Perhaps, but I think what we need to keep in mind, and acknowledge and examine more closely, is understanding that our differences, in terms of liberal/conservative, and in particular in the extremes both left and right, may be rooted in two fundamentally different views of the world, that is itself reflective of different personality types. In other words, human psychology is involved in this divide, and we need to understand ourselves better, and recognize this is not simply a political divide, but is far more fundamental to our nature as human beings. It is what I meant by "different world views colliding on history's stage" in my previous comment.
 
Red said:
Perhaps, but I think what we need to keep in mind, and acknowledge and examine more closely, is understanding that our differences, in terms of liberal/conservative, and in particular in the extremes both left and right, may be rooted in two fundamentally different views of the world, that is itself reflective of different personality types. In other words, human psychology is involved in this divide, and we need to understand ourselves better, and recognize this is not simply a political divide, but is far more fundamental to our nature as human beings. It is what I meant by "different world views colliding on history's stage" in my previous comment.
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I agree which is why it’s case by case. What is their argument, how do they present it, what are their past experiences, how do they label and talk about those with differing opinions, how frequently...

We really don’t disagree
 
Trump derangement syndrome isn't one sided, or even rooted in trumpocracy 1010; merely a few branches down. So much so, that it's certainly a disservice to name it after just one man.

Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics

Authors:

Yochai Benkler is the Berkman Professor of Entrepreneurial Legal Studies at Harvard Law School, and faculty co-director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Robert Faris is the Research Director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Hal Roberts is a Fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University.

Mike Godwin said:
This long, complex, yet readable study of the American media ecosystem in the run-up to the 2016 election (as well as the year afterwards) demonstrates that the epistemic-closure problem has generated what the authors call an "epistemic crisis" for Americans in general. The book also shows that our efforts to understand current political division and disruptions simplistically--either in terms of negligent and arrogant platforms like Facebook, or in terms of Bond-villain malefactors like Cambridge Analytica or Russia's Internet Research Agency--are missing the forest for the trees. It's not that the social media platforms are wholly innocent, and it's not that the would-be warpers of voter behavior did nothing wrong (or had no effect). But the seeds of the unexpected outcomes in the 2016 U.S. elections, Network Propaganda argues, were planted decades earlier, with the rise of a right-wing media ecosystem that valued loyalty and confirmation of conservative (or "conservative") values and narratives over truth.
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There's many further left reviews. But this one does a pretty good job of not hurting the feelings of snowflake conservatives.
 
How about that news manipulation?

They don't even try to hide it; merely claim unverified.

According to the magazine, former FoxNews.com reporter Diana Falzone "had obtained proof" of the affair and confirmed it with several key sources, including Daniels and her ex-husband.

Falzone had also reportedly obtained emails between Daniels’s attorney and Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen that showed that Cohen had proposed to pay cash to Daniels in exchange for a nondisclosure agreement.
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Let's see the email's, eh?
 
Harambe said:
Trump derangement syndrome isn't one sided, or even rooted in trumpocracy 1010; merely a few branches down. So much so, that it's certainly a disservice to name it after just one man.

Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics

Authors:

Yochai Benkler is the Berkman Professor of Entrepreneurial Legal Studies at Harvard Law School, and faculty co-director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Robert Faris is the Research Director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Hal Roberts is a Fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University.



There's many further left reviews. But this one does a pretty good job of not hurting the feelings of snowflake conservatives.
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Yeah, that sounds informative. I came across reference to that work for the first time today, while reading this lengthy report in The New Yorker, "The Making of the Fox News White House":

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house

"....Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”
 
Stoked said:
I agree which is why it’s case by case. What is their argument, how do they present it, what are their past experiences, how do they label and talk about those with differing opinions, how frequently...

We really don’t disagree
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I just read this today, and I think it offers clues on ways out of this morass, although it does seem to work best in small town, rural America. It's a profile of the upstate New York town of Watertown, "The Least politically Prejudiced Place in America":

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...w-york-tops-scale-political-tolerance/582106/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-vary-their-degree-partisan-prejudice/583072/
 
Red said:
I just read this today, and I think it offers clues on ways out of this morass, although it does seem to work best in small town, rural America. It's a profile of the upstate New York town of Watertown, "The Least politically Prejudiced Place in America":

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...w-york-tops-scale-political-tolerance/582106/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-vary-their-degree-partisan-prejudice/583072/
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According to the Atlantic’s graph I moved from the low end of prejudice to the high end. Oh joy...
 
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Stoked said:
Trouble in Occasio Cortez land.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/05/ocasio-cortez-aide-accused-of-funneling-1m-into-private-accounts/amp/
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Well... at least it's bigger than "Occasio got into a 17mpg mini-van only a block away from a subway station". Excited to see where this goes.

The complaint, filed Monday by the National Legal and Policy Center, said the transfers violated the law because PACs must disclose what those funds were used for — such as advertisements, payments to vendors and donations to candidates.

The private companies Chakrabarti moved the money to are not subject to those requirements.
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damn..
 
Harambe said:
Well... at least it's bigger than "Occasio got into a 17mpg mini-van only a block away from a subway station". Excited to see where this goes.



damn..
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Looked up the NLPC and they monitor liberal groups and politicians.

So it might just be a hit job. Let’s see if it’s even taken up.
 
Stoked said:
Looked up the NLPC and they monitor liberal groups and politicians.

So it might just be a hit job. Let’s see if it’s even taken up.
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This is something that the centrist Democrats would love to use against Ocasio-Cortez to keep her power limited.

This seems like fairly standard Washington-type campaign shenanigans, so it's easy to believe. It does need to be thoroughly investigated.
 
Harambe said:
Manafort gets a measly 47 month sentence .
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Is it still an activist judge when it rules in favor of republicans but outside of the norms? Or is it an activist judge only when it rules against republicans? So is this a constitutional judge who loves America? Or a socialist activist one? Just trying to keep up with republicans and their hatred of the “deep state.”

Sounded like Paul did some pretty awful **** and everyone expected him to be gone for life. Looks like he was let off far too easy
 
The Thriller said:
Is it still an activist judge when it rules in favor of republicans but outside of the norms? Or is it an activist judge only when it rules against republicans? So is this a constitutional judge who loves America? Or a socialist activist one? Just trying to keep up with republicans and their hatred of the “deep state.”

Sounded like Paul did some pretty awful **** and everyone expected him to be gone for life. Looks like he was let off far too easy
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Yeah, I've got mixed feelings about it. In general I would prefer we had softer sentencing in this country, but it's a tough pill to swallow when people who arent among the rich and powerful get much harsher sentences for less serious crimes.
 
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