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Leftist attacks Conservative on UC Berkeley Campus

olden_undercover said:
See what, the liberal media's agenda? What makes you think I don't? CNN is as bad as Fox News, just much better at delivering its propaganda in a way that doesn't insult the intelligence of anyone with higher than a 5th-grade education. There you go.

And look-- seriously, if you really do consider yourself to be centrist/moderate, then cool. But you might consider balancing your attacks a smidge, because you pretty consistently go after anyone left of you, moderate or extreme, and conveniently say nothing critical about anyone or anything on the conservative spectrum. I'm happy to concede this is a misperception, if you believe I am mistaken and have a compelling argument.
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You seem like a reasonable person. I dont have anything to argue with you about.
 
fishonjazz said:
And I get why you say that. But I never will
He is kind, thoughtful, generous, fun loving, positive, happy, reliable, trustworthy, loyal and there is no one I would rather hang out with. I think everyone has bad qualities and good qualities. When I put them on the scale for this particular person the good far outweigh the bad. For me anyway.

I also usually weigh how a person treats me and other people in their life as carrying much more weight than how they generalize people that they don't come into contact with.

I don't like it and it makes him not perfect for sure.

I also think they see what they are saying as harmless and victimless. They actually don't do anything to minorites that has any effect on them.

Like I said though, I totally get why you think I should part ways as you don't understand our bond and our relationship and would never be able to. The **** we been through together....... Man oh man. I might be dead if not for him. He has been there for me and helped me and saved me so many times and I have for him as well. He has brought so much joy to my life. I hope we continue to get together until the day we die.

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I totally get it. Life is complicated and people are not sound bites. People have all kinds of different facets, and really none of us are the same person in every scenario. We are different around our family, our friends, co-workers, hell even around different members of our family, and of course, online. And then we are who we are when no one is around. That's a person no one really see but us. I've had some friends similar to what you describe, not necessarily with race and women like that, but ideas and such I found objectionable. I've also had some "friends" who turned out to be hard-core racists. I cut them out at that point. But I'm lucky that none of my closer friends ever had that proclivity, as I don't know what I'd do in that exact circumstance. But my gut tells me I'd cut things off. That's just so unsettling. At the core of racism and sexism, imo, is a general disregard for or devaluing of human life. That's something I have a hard time with and just refuse to be around myself.

I hope you never have reason to regret the relationship fish. And I hope you can continue having this person in your life as long as you want or need to. We all need a few friends like that. And I'm a little jealous that I don't have any friends that close really. I hope it continues to work for you.
 
I also want to say that I will always hold the president of the United States of America to a higher standard than friends I grew up with in Kearns Utah.

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LogGrad98 said:
I totally get it. Life is complicated and people are not sound bites. People have all kinds of different facets, and really none of us are the same person in every scenario. We are different around our family, our friends, co-workers, hell even around different members of our family, and of course, online. And then we are who we are when no one is around. That's a person no one really see but us. I've had some friends similar to what you describe, not necessarily with race and women like that, but ideas and such I found objectionable. I've also had some "friends" who turned out to be hard-core racists. I cut them out at that point. But I'm lucky that none of my closer friends ever had that proclivity, as I don't know what I'd do in that exact circumstance. But my gut tells me I'd cut things off. That's just so unsettling. At the core of racism and sexism, imo, is a general disregard for or devaluing of human life. That's something I have a hard time with and just refuse to be around myself.

I hope you never have reason to regret the relationship fish. And I hope you can continue having this person in your life as long as you want or need to. We all need a few friends like that. And I'm a little jealous that I don't have any friends that close really. I hope it continues to work for you.
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Thank you. He holds an obviously special place in my heart. I will forgive and have leniency more for those dearest to me. There is certainly bias on my part that I'm not proud of but that I definitely acknowledge.


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NPC D4617 said:
Trump is a racist(never said anything racist)
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Trump was censured for not renting to black people. Trump took out a full-page ad insisting on the convictions of the Central Park Five, and continued to insist on their guilt even after they were exonerated by DNA evidence. Trump campaigned on calling Mexicans rapists, and has referred to calling the illegal immigrants "diseased". If you don't hear the racism in those comments/actions, then I don't know what you would consider to be evidence of racism in the modern political world.

NPC D4617 said:
Friend who who says the worst racist things = Great human being
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I would probably not be friends with fishonjazz's friend, but I have not lived fishonjazz's life. I think he underestimates how poisonous these biases can be even when they come out subtly.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Im sorry, but I dont see Fox News putting KKK members on the tube and normalizing them. The left main stream media not only give far leftism a platform, but they actively push it, while simultaneously misrepresenting conservatives.

How can you not see that?
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In your opinion, who on the left is the equivalent of the KKK on the right?
 
NPC D4617 said:
100% chance you go around killing babies
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A few pages ago you implied that killing babies was okay if the woman was raped, which is horrible, horrible immoral thought. You believe abortion is the same as killing a 5 year old, right? So if a woman is raped, you can kill her 5 year old child, or so you believed a few days ago.
 
silesian said:
A few pages ago you implied that killing babies was okay if the woman was raped, which is horrible, horrible immoral thought. You believe abortion is the same as killing a 5 year old, right? So if a woman is raped, you can kill her 5 year old child, or so you believed a few days ago.
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He also reversed that comment a few posts later.

And depending on how far along the pregnancy is I am increasingly inclined to agree.

But sometimes horrible choice have to be made.
 
Stoked said:
He also reversed that comment a few posts later.
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Yes, NPC was for murder before he was against murder. A curious flip flop don’t you think?

Just to be clear....

I’m anti abortion and the way to stop them is birth control and education. Solve the problem is unwanted pregnancy and the symptom if abortion vanishes.

Putting doctors and women in jail will do nothing to solve the problem. It will drive unsafe practices like pre Roe v Wade.

I have a hard time accepting a categorical equivalency between the life of a an egg that was fertilized 12 seconds ago and the life of a 12 year old child. But this is precisely what people like NPC profess to believe. If folks truly believed this you would see funerals for every miscarriage.

You should lose the right to choose in the late pregnancy unless the life of the mother is in jeapordy.
 
silesian said:
Yes, NPC was for murder before he was against murder. A curious flip flop don’t you think?

Just to be clear....

I’m anti abortion and the way to stop them is birth control and education. Solve the problem is unwanted pregnancy and the symptom if abortion vanishes.

Putting doctors and women in jail will do nothing to solve the problem. It will drive unsafe practices like pre Roe v Wade.

I have a hard time accepting a categorical equivalency between the life of a an egg that was fertilized 12 seconds ago and the life of a 12 year old child. But this is precisely what people like NPC profess to believe. If folks truly believed this you would see funerals for every miscarriage.

You should lose the right to choose in the late pregnancy unless the life of the mother is in jeapordy.
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For those that do believe that there are funerals. Just because they’re private affairs changes nothing. Like Luke and Sophia in my family. Both never made it full term. Both had a funeral type service with just their parents and siblings. They have their own graves and head stones.

Those do happen.

Also, you realize NPC is a troll right? Don’t take anything he says seriously.
 
olden_undercover said:
See what, the liberal media's agenda? What makes you think I don't? CNN is as bad as Fox News, just much better at delivering its propaganda in a way that doesn't insult the intelligence of anyone with higher than a 5th-grade education. There you go.

And look-- seriously, if you really do consider yourself to be centrist/moderate, then cool. But you might consider balancing your attacks a smidge, because you pretty consistently go after anyone left of you, moderate or extreme, and conveniently say nothing critical about anyone or anything on the conservative spectrum. I'm happy to concede this is a misperception, if you believe I am mistaken and have a compelling argument.
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Nobody likes a hypocrite. The radical left here pretty consistently go after Hack, and "the right" or pretty much anyone half rational for that matter, and conveniently say nothing critical about anyone extremely left. Need me to link 100 threads of one-sided silence and another 100 of one sided outrage for proof? Or is what you are doing here enough? Do you need to read One Brow, arguably the boards most prominent one sided member, crying about Archie? Or the group of cringeworthy, childish leftists roaming here doing ad nauseum (in this thread too but where's your critique)? Bottom line, all y'all who keep complaining about hack need to put your money where your mouth is or shut the **** up. It's dumb to complain one sidedly about one sided posters.
 
Stoked said:
Based on?

Who would you say is both to the left of and more prominent than you?
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To the left of is easy. Thriller.
Not really sure what prominent means in this context but I'm thinking thriller

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Stoked said:
Based on?

Who would you say is both to the left of and more prominent than you?
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Red and Zombie certainly have better thumbs/posts and trophies/post ratios. I had not thought of The Thriller until fishonjazz mentioned him.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Nobody likes a hypocrite. The radical left here pretty consistently go after Hack, and "the right" or pretty much anyone half rational for that matter, and conveniently say nothing critical about anyone extremely left. Need me to link 100 threads of one-sided silence and another 100 of one sided outrage for proof? Or is what you are doing here enough? Do you need to read One Brow, arguably the boards most prominent one sided member, crying about Archie? Or the group of cringeworthy, childish leftists roaming here doing ad nauseum (in this thread too but where's your critique)? Bottom line, all y'all who keep complaining about hack need to put your money where your mouth is or shut the **** up. It's dumb to complain one sidedly about one sided posters.
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Well you see, pal, I didn't read this entire thread. And I don't read most of what is posted on JF, either, because I have a job and a family and, you know, personal interests that don't include ranting endlessly against complete strangers about politics. I DO know Fish well enough, though, to feel compelled to defend him, after reading what I felt was Hack's unfair treatment of him. Kudos to Hack for having some class, engaging respectfully, and acknowledging a general need for more moderate thinking. Maybe I didn't articulate myself well, but he, at least, got what I was saying. It doesn't look to me like you took time to establish context before responding to me. But you know what? I forgive you; hopefully you can now sleep at night, resume your regular eating and bathrooming routine, etc.
 
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