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Jazz ban 2nd fan for calling Westbrook "boy"

Utesnjazz said:
This whole thing has been crazy and really bad.

Listening to David Locke today it is very apparent that the NBA views Utah as racist white people.

I honestly never realized this was an issue.
I have never heard a racist comment at a public event let alone a jazz game. Or at least I didn’t think it was.

Unfortunately we are going to be scrutinized because we are mostly white. We don’t choose are skin color, but it is what it is.

We need to play it safe and just don’t heckle opposing players or fans at all. Like Gail said let’s just Cheer for the Jazz instead.
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It’s not hard! Boo them all day long. Chant pro jazz stuff, stomp your feet, song stuff like “hey hey hey goodbye!”

Why get personal at all?
 
Utesnjazz said:
This whole thing has been crazy and really bad.

Listening to David Locke today it is very apparent that the NBA views Utah as racist white people.

I honestly never realized this was an issue.
I have never heard a racist comment at a public event let alone a jazz game. Or at least I didn’t think it was.

Unfortunately we are going to be scrutinized because we are mostly white. We don’t choose are skin color, but it is what it is.

We need to play it safe and just don’t heckle opposing players or fans at all. Like Gail said let’s just Cheer for the Jazz instead.
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Agreed.
Hope I can still heckle refs? White ones at least?

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Zombie said:
Here's a tip, if you aren't sure something you want to say might be be racist, it probably is.
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Do you think kapernick knew he was doing something racist against black people when he did the whole kneeling thing? Someone should tell him.

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I'm glad we've taken a hard stance and banned a couple people. At the same time, I wonder if the perception of Utah fans (racists) is exacerbated by the fact that Utah has so many white people. What the original guy supposedly said "Get on your knees...." didn't seem to me to be race related (from my perspective, but from Westbrooks it apparently was). If a fan said the same thing in New York, would a player be so quick to play the "racist" card?

I was at a baseball game in St. Louis, and a fan yelled to a Alfonso Soriano, who was eating sunflower seeds "Yeah, you like nuts in your mouth?" Soriano just laughed. It was heckling, not race hating.
 
“Get on your knees like you used to” could be racist or homophobic. The things that make it fair to call that racist are:

1 - “like you USED to” doesn’t really make any sense in a homophobic context. As a reference to slavery/white supremacy it certainly does.
2 - The dude is a ****ing racist.
 
Zombie said:
I do not understand what it is you are even trying to say here.
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Well kneeling can represent submission to white slavemasters. So I don't know if kneeling is a good look for a black man representing other black men.
You know like "get on your knees like your used to"
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NUMBERICA said:
“Get on your knees like you used to” could be racist or homophobic. The things that make it fair to call that racist are:

1 - “like you USED to” doesn’t really make any sense in a homophobic context. As a reference to slavery/white supremacy it certainly does.
2 - The dude is a ****ing racist.
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The first point cannot be overstated enough, I feel like most people who were initially empathetic to Shane completely ignored the "like you're used to" part. That's why I was confused as to how people thought it was a "dick sucking" joke.

This 2nd fan who got perma'd was clearly racist, even as an Australian I know that "boy" in the way it was used in the video is derogatory to african americans in America going back to slavery days (e.g. classic redneck stereotype), and it's made worse because you can clearly see Westbrook ask the fan to stop and then he said it again literally seconds after the request while clapping.
 
Utesnjazz said:
This whole thing has been crazy and really bad.

Listening to David Locke today it is very apparent that the NBA views Utah as racist white people.

I honestly never realized this was an issue.
I have never heard a racist comment at a public event let alone a jazz game. Or at least I didn’t think it was.

Unfortunately we are going to be scrutinized because we are mostly white. We don’t choose are skin color, but it is what it is.

We need to play it safe and just don’t heckle opposing players or fans at all. Like Gail said let’s just Cheer for the Jazz instead.
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People outside of Utah view Utah as weird. Not "they're all just racist," but strange or peculiar. Mormonism is a strong reason for it. People out of the state view it as a cult and regressive. There are some other NBA markets that are whiter than Utah (I think Portland and maybe Milwaukee), but people outside of Utah see it as a weird state run by a religious organization that is seen as a cult. I'm not sayin it's right, but it's the reality. I've been to Utah a few times and found the people and the state very nice, but yeah this is the perception of Utah from people outside of the state. Because of this, when there is an incident at a Jazz game, it blows up because it confirms peoples's biases about the state.
 
Everyone is just skating past the notion that Westbrook is the biggest, whiniest bitch in the league. Seriously, what is this? His third incident this year? One was with a little kid.

Sorry, but the guy’s got a few screws loose and needs to get over ****. Do we forget the playoffs last year? Fans say **** to get under your skin. To me there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed, yes. “Boy” certainly crosses that line imo. The first dude’s comments, I don’t know. It’s not so black and white, no pun intended. But the dude is hypersensitive and ridiculous and it’s not fair to dismiss that.
 
zyzz said:
People outside of Utah view Utah as weird. Not "they're all just racist," but strange or peculiar. Mormonism is a strong reason for it. People out of the state view it as a cult and regressive. There are some other NBA markets that are whiter than Utah (I think Portland and maybe Milwaukee), but people outside of Utah see it as a weird state run by a religious organization that is seen as a cult. I'm not sayin it's right, but it's the reality. I've been to Utah a few times and found the people and the state very nice, but yeah this is the perception of Utah from people outside of the state. Because of this, when there is an incident at a Jazz game, it blows up because it confirms peoples's biases about the state.
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Utah has the lowest percentage of black people of virtually anywhere in the country. That includes Alaska. Milwaukee has a large black community, Portland has its historical issues with racism but they are also currently the epicenter of social awareness/progressivism.

That being said, Utah has diversity in some other ways, but the power structure here is truly and obviously centered around the church and straight white men. Utah is certainly a unique place. Aspects of that make me love it and aspects of that really don’t.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Utah has the lowest percentage of black people of virtually anywhere in the country. That includes Alaska. Milwaukee has a large black community, Portland has its historical issues with racism but they are also currently the epicenter of social awareness/progressivism.

That being said, Utah has diversity in some other ways, but the power structure here is truly and obviously centered around the church and straight white men. Utah is certainly a unique place. Aspects of that make me love it and aspects of that really don’t.
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Yup, that's why Jazz fans have to be particularly careful at games. If fans are yelling at players walking through the tunnel at Staples Center, no one will bat an eye. If they see it happening at Vivint, I guarantee people will assume there are racial slurs being thrown out.
 
My question in all of this: How many fans are gonna get lifetime bans when a particularly sensitive player points security at an annoying fan for being "mean" (without any evidence, or any actual racism/hate)? Is this gonna be exploited during playoff games to silence the crowd? Or is that just a paranoid idea?

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vegas said:
You know Fish by now. He is just posting out of frustration here that there's no way for him to really get what's ok and when it's ok. Dude is feeling stereotyped himself.
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This is true and it is wrong if me and I have done enough (too much probably) to make my point and will step back and just try to observe, learn, and make the best of this issue going forward.

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