Jazz ban 2nd fan for calling Westbrook "boy"

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Thanks for your enriching post. Sure makes me want to engage in further discussion with you.

You’ll find your life enriched in myriad ways once you begin learning and applying history in all facets of your life.

Be sure to report back on your progress.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

You told me to teach my kids to take their power and help give power to those who don't have it. To me, that's just garbage.

Everybody, at least in this country, has the power to improve their lives. Some do it through more adversity than others, but they still have the power to improve. They don't need people to give them power; they need people to treat them like equals. It is the responsibility of an individual to realize and acquire their own level of power.

All an individual can do is lead by example. Treat others how you want to be treated. That is how the world changes.

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The problem as I see it is turning equality into patronizing. I think being a patronizing SJW is wrongheaded. Who wants to be patronized?

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Humanity does. I find this notion that Utah is some special case that needs to be singled out silly.

It only matters because this is where we happen to be living. Not because Utah is exceptionally racist.

An argument about exceptional racism is beside the point. Racism to any degree is worth assessing and course correction.

 

[Stoked]

An argument about exceptional racism is beside the point. Racism to any degree is worth assessing and course correction.

Oh, I absolutely agree. Just pointing out that Utah isn’t exceptional in this.

We need to do better here because we are here. Just adding relevant context imo.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I’m not sure of your point. Please expound.

If Utah has hang ups and latent issues, Utah can do something about it. Not sure how I can make that more clear.

 

[Jazzta]

He’s insinuating you’re a closet racist. That was pretty clear I thought.

I don’t agree with his insinuation.

I’ll let him speak for himself, and I’ll take serious offense if that’s the case.

 

[Stoked]

I’ll let him speak for himself, and I’ll take serious offense if that’s the case.

Fair enough.

 

[Jazzta]

You live in Spain, right?

That would explain things. Many non-Americans really may not be familiar with the racially charged contextual use of the word.

I moved from Spain six years ago, perhaps I’ve lived here long enough to learn that “boy” can have a racial connotation in certain situations. That’s what I’m trying to learn on this thread, whether if it’s fair to expect that someone with my background or similar should have known about it before hand.

Obviously there are other words that one knows not to say when starting to learn a bit about social issues in the US, pretty much right off the bat.

 

[Miggs]

If Utah has hang ups and latent issues, Utah can do something about it. Not sure how I can make that more clear.

Your second paragraph made that abundantly clear. I more or less wasn’t quite sure what the paragraph on Westbrook was about. Were you admitting he has issues?

 

[One Brow]

I have heard, read and watched the “you’re white” line used over and over to silence or dismiss “whites” on this subject. It’s a common tactic.

Again, perhaps a matter of interpretation? I would think you'd agree that it's not appropriate for a white person to tell a black person what the effects of racism are on black people. So, in that context, using "you're white" is shorthand for "this is an experience you can't fully understand unless you have lived your entire life in it".

 

[One Brow]

You told me to teach my kids to take their power and help give power to those who don't have it. To me, that's just garbage.

No, I said you could teach them that. Not that you should, or must, or even might, just that it was possible. However, I do find it interesting that you read some sort of moral imperative into my statement about what was possible. Why do you think you read it that way?

Everybody, at least in this country, has the power to improve their lives. Some do it through more adversity than others, but they still have the power to improve. They don't need people to give them power; they need people to treat them like equals. It is the responsibility of an individual to realize and acquire their own level of power.

So, since everyone can cross home plate, the fact that some people start on second due to institutional power use, and others need to pass all four bases, is not relevant and should not be addressed? How convenient for you.

All an individual can do is lead by example. Treat others how you want to be treated. That is how the world changes.

No, that is how the world continues to stay the same. The world changes when people are wrenched out of the comfortable norm.

 

[Stoked]

Again, perhaps a matter of interpretation? I would think you'd agree that it's not appropriate for a white person to tell a black person what the effects of racism are on black people. So, in that context, using "you're white" is shorthand for "this is an experience you can't fully understand unless you have lived your entire life in it".

And many times it’s code for stfu. I’m telling your straight up. Its used repeatedly to silence dissenting opinions from whites.

It goes against the very nature of what the people using profess to want.

Now for your specific argument. It is foolish for a white person to tell a black person about the affects of racism on black people. And it’s foolish for blacks to sit there and silence whites and dismiss their opinions.

I’m not saying that there is any historical equivalence. Or even broad group based equivalence in today’s society. Their simply isn’t. One is clearly worse than the other.

But shutting people down will never lead to the end of racism. It’s about bringing everyone in. Not shutting people down. And far to often that’s the tactic used.