Compelling Pro Life Argument
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jimmy eat jazz
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I'm more than willing to listen to arguments about the sanctity of protecting unborn life. I have a great deal of sympathy for the argument. However, I have yet to meet a pro life person who is willing even to entertain arguments related to concerns the state's intrusion on a woman's most intimate decisions about her life and control of her own reproduction. In my view, women can never truly be free until they have freedom over their bodies and their own reproduction. On the other hand, at a certain point, I do believe there's a valid argument that the state has a compelling interest in protecting what would otherwise be a viable life. It's hard to find pro lifers willing to meet you even part way to begin this discussion. I imagine pro lifers say the same about pro choicers.
Heathme
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It is usually more simple for pro-lifers. Take responsibility for yourself and your actions. If you have sex there is a chance you can get pregnant regardless of the contraception you use. If that happens, take responsibility for your actions and do not kill the unborn baby inside of you. Give it up for adoption or take care of it. Abortion is not contraception. The man and the woman that make this baby have a responsibility not to kill it. In my own personal opinion, only endangering the life of the mother, incest or rape would be an option to have the abortion and even that would be after a lot of consideration.
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candrew
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Whenever you see "DESTROYS" or "COMPLETLY OWNS" in a video title, it's a safe bet it contains nothing but a bunch of confirmation bias ******** - if it's from the left or right.
As for content just listen to the disdain in this suburban white boy's voice when he says "reproductive rights"
This is all about controlling women because that's what he learned from whatever religious indoctrination he was subjected to . He can't say that so he just dresses it up in a bunch of straw man and slippery slope arguments.
As for content just listen to the disdain in this suburban white boy's voice when he says "reproductive rights"
This is all about controlling women because that's what he learned from whatever religious indoctrination he was subjected to . He can't say that so he just dresses it up in a bunch of straw man and slippery slope arguments.
jimmy eat jazz
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You do realize it's not this simple, right? There are any number of reasons where women are disempowered where it comes to sex and getting pregnant that don't involve rape or incest. You are positing a overly simplistic, reductionist worldview more consistent with a ideology or dogma that what is actually happening on the ground in so many of these cases.
Taking responsibility also for one's self also involves taking responsibility for one's one healthcare and taking control of one's body. The state intruding on women's own health care choices and decisions about their reproduction is a particularly egregious form of state intrusion. That so many have such as hard time conceding this self-evident point is a real stumbling block to this discussion. And I concede that from the other side, an unwillingness to concede legitimate concerns about the sanctity of "life" is also a stumbling block. (How "life" is defined is, IMO, a debatable point and far from self-evident.)
jimmy eat jazz
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Agreed, I avoid any thing, regardless which side, which claims to "Destroy" or "Completely Own" etc. Anyone can cherry pick a video showing, presumably, one side destroying or owning the other. It's the nature of social media 'debate,' it's all about the gotcha win, almost never about honest discussion/debate.
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Hotdog
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Its so disingenuous to say its about controlling women. How about its just because the person cares about the life of a baby?
What a lazy and stupid argument.
Ya bro, its all because the evil white man wants controll women and their bodies. No woman in the history of the planet has been anti abortion. Its all those evil controlling white men. It couldnt be be because some people get a sick feeling thinking about killing a baby in its woom.
Hotdog
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Why is that an idiotic statement?
You know, its you who looks stupid when you cant or wont give a logical rebuttal.
Trust me bruh. You dont look smart with your one liners calling other people stupid. It just looks like you have nothing else rattling up there, so you resort to insulting someone. Its the mark of a dunce.
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Abortion is probably the most complex divisive issue in politics. Imo the core is in where does life begin and which life do we value most. Heavily simplified it's like the "women and children first" concept for life rafts, as in it is more important to save women and children over men, and a discussion around where that idea came about is fascinating. Is the life of the baby or the mother more important? And not just in terms of physical threat to life, but quality of life. It is ridiculous to assert that women would choose something at invasive as abortion as a preferred form of contraception, but it's also ridiculous to try to say that decision affects only the mother. Also is it really so dumb to say that people should know what the possible results of sexual activity are and be prepared to accept the results? This isn't even getting into the side of the debate centering around when life begins, and if that really even matters. It is really a very difficult topic to ever make any headway on agreement or consensus, even before we bring things like religion into it, and changing scientific understandings of when life begins. I know my personal beliefs have morphed over the years as well. It's a very tough nut to crack.