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The Day the Dinosaurs Died

Haven't found this while using Google (have not formed my question correctly) - why the scientists seem to be 100% certain, that there were no humans or human civilization during the dinosaur era? Isn't it possible that everything a la tall buildings could be completly destroyed without evidence after millions of years?

You did not know what search terms to use. There is indeed some thoughts along those lines, published fairly recently. It's very interesting to see scientists recently examining what amounts to "out of bounds" ideas. You have, for instance, the head of Harvard's Astronomy Dept. publishing a paper suggesting a particular asteroid that arrived from outside our solar system might be an alien probe, and you have ideas like this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...vilization-have-existed-on-earth-before-ours/

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.03748.pdf
 

For my money, one of the neatest theories of my lifetime. It's fun to see birds as avian dinosaurs. That does appear to be the consensus opinion at the moment, with some existing dissent, which should be expected and encouraged in any scientific discipline. But when I throw seeds out on the lawn, and watch a flock of mourning doves grazing in the grass, I'm seeing a herd of dinosaurs, and it couldn't delight me more.
 
Totally. But they weren't humans. They were lizard people, since even the earliest mammals barely existed. They used those tens of millions of years to infiltrate the US government and push cultural Marxism.

Kidding aside, or not, it is a fact that several million Americans believe at least some of our political leaders are shape shifting reptilian aliens from another star system. It's a specific star system, but it's slipping my mind at the moment. But, this is an actual belief, and I have to assume nobody can possibly be surprised at this point. There are a list of characteristics one looks for to identify which of our leaders are "lizard people", I don't know, maybe the ones that speak with forked tongue?
 
Kidding aside, or not, it is a fact that several million Americans believe at least some of our political leaders are shape shifting reptilian aliens from another star system. It's a specific star system, but it's slipping my mind at the moment. But, this is an actual belief, and I have to assume nobody can possibly be surprised at this point. There are a list of characteristics one looks for to identify which of our leaders are "lizard people", I don't know, maybe the ones that speak with forked tongue?

I don't know if millions of Americans believe that. But it is a conspiracy theory that exists, thus the joke. It's probably more fringe than flat Earth tho, which is really fringe to begin with.
 
I don't know if millions of Americans believe that. But it is a conspiracy theory that exists, thus the joke. It's probably more fringe than flat Earth tho, which is really fringe to begin with.

Well, I saw a poll that indicated several million. Polls are always spot on, BTW.
 
There are a list of characteristics one looks for to identify which of our leaders are "lizard people", I don't know, maybe the ones that speak with forked tongue?

Even funnier since, biologically speaking, all mammals are lizards anyhow.
 
So anyway guys, speaking of dinosaurs and space rocks, you got yourself a national treasure over in Moab. Lin Ottinger. The "dinosaur hunter of Utah". I did not know it at the time I met him that he was a legend in the West. I had driven into Moab early one July morning in a thunderous rain. Cleared up, I toured Arches. That night, teaming up with a guy I met in Arches, we attended a Lin Ottinger slide lecture at his Moab Rock Shop. We signed up for one of his now famous VW Bus tours of Canyonlands the next day. Unfortunetly, the rain that morning meant he would be gold prospecting the next day, so our tour guide the next morning was a Navaho guide. Still a great day.

Ottinger has had at least one dino named after him, and he loves rubbing park rangers the wrong way, from the stories I've heard. In his early 90's now, but I hear he still loves spinning tales to any ear he can grab. So, if you're in Moab, check out the Moab rock shop. I was there in 1986, bought a huge Stegosaurus back plate from him, and had him ship it home for me.

Here are some stories about Lin Ottinger. One of a kind.

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20170310-the-dinosaur-hunter-of-moab

http://moabstories.com/2018/04/moab...walk-if-it-doesnt-talk-lin-ottinger-finds-it/

https://www.dreamride.com/ottinger.html

Old photos of Ottinger's VW buses navigating Canyonlands....

http://www.linottingersmuseum.org/

If I ever make it back to Moab, and I'd love to take my wife there someday, I hope Ottinger is still among the living. The Moab Rock Shop will be my first stop.
 
Dinosaurs committed mass suicide... they were told of the coming of Joe Ingles who would end their reign on the earth... they figured why waste time and fight it... so Joe having no dinosaur killing to do, took up basketball.
 
Kidding aside, or not, it is a fact that several million Americans believe at least some of our political leaders are shape shifting reptilian aliens from another star system. It's a specific star system, but it's slipping my mind at the moment. But, this is an actual belief, and I have to assume nobody can possibly be surprised at this point. There are a list of characteristics one looks for to identify which of our leaders are "lizard people", I don't know, maybe the ones that speak with forked tongue?
I know that there’s big concern about what’s perceived as a steep rise in people being “against science” because it’s “dangerous,” but I’m honestly not certain which is more dangerous: people believing that shape-shifting, reptilian aliens have infiltrated our government, or people believing that it’s a fact that there are millions of people that believe there are shape-shifting, reptilian aliens that have infiltrated our government.
 
For my money, one of the neatest theories of my lifetime. It's fun to see birds as avian dinosaurs. That does appear to be the consensus opinion at the moment, with some existing dissent, which should be expected and encouraged in any scientific discipline. But when I throw seeds out on the lawn, and watch a flock of mourning doves grazing in the grass, I'm seeing a herd of dinosaurs, and it couldn't delight me more.

yeah, it is still a hypothesis but it seems to have growing evidence and support.
 
I think it's gone past hypothesis to consensus.

Interesting. I had not gotten that sense, but my "Paleontology Today" subscription was not renewed. Haha.

Is it considered a Scientific Theory by the experts?
 
Interesting. I had not gotten that sense, but my "Paleontology Today" subscription was not renewed. Haha.

Is it considered a Scientific Theory by the experts?
I am not sure. Probably? I am neither a paleontologist nor an ornithologist, so I'm not the best person to answer, but my understanding is that it's been researched since the mid-1800s, the discovery of Archaeopteryx, and that there are just too many similarities between dinosaurs and birds that are NOT shared by mammals or insects to see it any other way. They have found a bunch of dinos with feathers. Now, how exact it happened is another matter - did it start with the pterodactyl and other winged dinosaurs, or did another, smaller dinosaur develop wings and then fairly quickly speciate?
 
Now I want someone to make a parody version of "American Pie" but maybe call it "Dinosaurs Die."
 
I know that there’s big concern about what’s perceived as a steep rise in people being “against science” because it’s “dangerous,” but I’m honestly not certain which is more dangerous: people believing that shape-shifting, reptilian aliens have infiltrated our government, or people believing that it’s a fact that there are millions of people that believe there are shape-shifting, reptilian aliens that have infiltrated our government.

I'm not aware of the steep rise you're speaking of, of people being against science because it's "dangerous", or, perhaps I should say to the degree I am aware of that, It hasn't really been my concern. Rather, I'm aware of and interested in a rise of distrust of authority in general, political, religious, scientific authority.

The role of a sense of "dangerous" where that erosion is concerned was not something I've really focused on, but more just a rise in irrational thought, or maybe popular culture undermining "received wisdom" in many disciplines. In my case, I saw it mostly in the proliferation of alternative history, such as presented by the History Network, and shows like America Unearthed and Ancient Aliens, because I was involved in teaching history.

The reptilian business I myself first saw within the UFO community, but as far as "millions", I understand and concede your point, it was based on one poll:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-illuminati-beyonce-vaccines-cliven-bundy-jfk

I don't know about a "danger" in any of this, though I do tend to defend rationality as a good standard,not to be lost sight of, just trying to keep track of unusual beliefs, and I do believe they've always been present, just a keen interest in those types cropping up in modern America.
 
I know that there’s big concern about what’s perceived as a steep rise in people being “against science” because it’s “dangerous,” but I’m honestly not certain which is more dangerous: people believing that shape-shifting, reptilian aliens have infiltrated our government, or people believing that it’s a fact that there are millions of people that believe there are shape-shifting, reptilian aliens that have infiltrated our government.

I'm a Fortean in temperament and philosophy. As in Charles Fort. So I've been open minded where many anomalous things are concerned, anything that threatens to upset apple carts, and in many areas. So, in and of themselves, unusual beliefs are not things I tend to regard as "dangerous", I've entertained many, and in all seriousness. At the same time, the strength of some popular cultural beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence against their accuracy, intrigues me. And creates a tension between the Fortean in me that enjoys entertaining impossible ideas and the rationalist that resists "true belief" in anything. I think we're all pretty complex beings, and tensions born of contradictions are common to all of us.
 
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