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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/31/us/colorado-red-flag-gun-law/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Colorado is about to pass a “red flag” law leading the way for local law enforcement to confiscate or “seize”, as the article states, based on reports of a gun owner being a threat to themselves or others.

The twist is that more than half the counties in CO have come out against the law. Many declaring themselves “second amendment sanctuary” counties. They also promise to block all state funds from being used to enforce this law.

How do you view counties openly defying state legislatures? One the gun issue or in general. We’ve seen a similar tactic used by some cities, counties and states claiming themselves to be sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Refusing to cooperate with ICE and the federal gov. Is this a growing trend that will lead to an unbridgeable ideological divide that effectively crippled gov?

On a tangent it points directly to a point I’ve made a couple times on here. Banning and confiscating guns will not really happen. People, towns, cities and even some states (like TX and UT) will openly resist.
 
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With those who oppose most gun restrictions a common argument is that there isn't a gun issue in the U.S. causing the gun violence, there's a mental health issue.

This seems like a pretty reasonable way to allow gun rights while protecting us from people who have mental health issues and own guns.
 
I don’t want him out west but Zion on the Suns next to Ayton would be interesting. If they got him and signed a solid pg for once, they could be interesting.
 
https://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/4-Nevada-counties-join-Second-Amendment-13709039.php

7 out of 17 counties in NV are stating their intention to defy new gun laws passed and signed into law in February.
Again, background checks I thought was something most gun-rights folks were okay with. You know, to make sure only the "good guys" get the guns. Also goes hand-in-hand with making sure people with mental problems don't legally purchase guns.

I'm sorry, but these reactions to very reasonable laws baffle me.
 
Again, background checks I thought was something most gun-rights folks were okay with. You know, to make sure only the "good guys" get the guns. Also goes hand-in-hand with making sure people with mental problems don't legally purchase guns.

I'm sorry, but these reactions to very reasonable laws baffle me.
So people with mental health deserve to have their constitutional rights stripped away? I'm not saying yes or no, but it's a slippery slope imo.
 
Again, background checks I thought was something most gun-rights folks were okay with. You know, to make sure only the "good guys" get the guns. Also goes hand-in-hand with making sure people with mental problems don't legally purchase guns.

I'm sorry, but these reactions to very reasonable laws baffle me.

I don’t disagree. I’m not trying to defend their position. Sorry if it came off that way.

Mainly just pointing out that this issue, among 1-2 others such as speech, have the power to irrevocably fracture this country.
 
So people with mental health deserve to have their constitutional rights stripped away? I'm not saying yes or no, but it's a slippery slope imo.

We already see this. The question is where is the line drawn.

Would you let a 5 year old have a gun? They’re a citizen and have second amendment rights.
 
We already see this. The question is where is the line drawn.

Would you let a 5 year old have a gun? They’re a citizen and have second amendment rights.
I was shooting at 5. I was taught gun safety at a very early age. That's not for everyone though as gun culture here is much different than the gun culture in other areas.

About mental illness, are people going to get the help they need if they are outcasted? Outside of these kids on anti depression drugs meant to change brain waves and brain function how many mental ill are out murdering people?

People say this is all just common sense but it's not. Is this really going to put a dent in the gun deaths? Are people going to get the help they need? Who defines what rights a person should have or not? If so-and-so is bipolar is that enough to take their guns?
 
I was shooting at 5. I was taught gun safety at a very early age. That's not for everyone though as gun culture here is much different than the gun culture in other areas.

About mental illness, are people going to get the help they need if they are outcasted? Outside of these kids on anti depression drugs meant to change brain waves and brain function how many mental ill are out murdering people?

People say this is all just common sense but it's not. Is this really going to put a dent in the gun deaths? Are people going to get the help they need? Who defines what rights a person should have or not? If so-and-so is bipolar is that enough to take their guns?

Lots of good questions. Following a somewhat dodge. The very vast majority of 5 year olds are not taught what to with a gun. Mine weren't. But my 11 and 16 year old know.

Let’s see, sincere effort to answer.

Some will get help and some won’t, but that’s already happening. A gun law won’t change that in any measurable way beyond the intensely personal.

Will this put a dent in gun deaths? Yes and no. Will it put a dent in statistical gun deaths? I’m skeptical. On the individual level, I’m sure some people will live and for them it absolutely made a dent. But there is no way of ever knowing that. It’s an unknown. Always will be, in every way. No way of telling who lived because of a law change.

Bi-polar? god these are tough for me. I just don’t know. Best I have is we have to take it case by case. Are they taking meds? Are they in therapy? Are there other mental and/or physical conditions? Prior record? Any training in weapons?

Who defines what rights a person has? Society, as it always has.

For me the line is very blurry and all we can do is our best as a society. And constantly review and adjust as needed. On the macro and micro scale.

Some problems will never have a solid, clean answer.
 
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