Herro is similarly ~ 6'5" with shoes like grayson but his wingspan (taken from Kentucky's preseason pro day measurements) is only 6'4.5", he's got smaller hands, a really poor max vert at 33.5", and despite being listed at 195 lbs, definitely doesn't look it as his body fat is also quite high. The body weight/fat can and will change, but he's got really short arms, and i don't know how much more explosive he will get even with training. he's not close to the athlete grayson was at the same age or is now, but overall you're right in that they are different players. I'm not enamored with the comp, but I guess he could be a smaller version of klay since they are both just average athletes and get most of their offense off quick jumpers and very few dribbles. The other comp people have said is booker which I can see some of in his game as well, but he won't be the iso player that booker is at the nba level. I don't think he can be an on the ball guard like grayson could be as a secondary ballhandler/creator. I still think grayson can be ginobili-light w/ better shooting.
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Herro is similarly ~ 6'5" with shoes like grayson but his wingspan (taken from Kentucky's preseason pro day measurements) is only 6'4.5", he's got smaller hands, a really poor max vert at 33.5", and despite being listed at 195 lbs, definitely doesn't look it as his body fat is also quite high. The body weight/fat can and will change, but he's got really short arms, and i don't know how much more explosive he will get even with training. he's not close to the athlete grayson was at the same age or is now, but overall you're right in that they are different players. I'm not enamored with the comp, but I guess he could be a smaller version of klay since they are both just average athletes and get most of their offense off quick jumpers and very few dribbles. The other comp people have said is booker which I can see some of in his game as well, but he won't be the iso player that booker is at the nba level. I don't think he can be an on the ball guard like grayson could be as a secondary ballhandler/creator. I still think grayson can be ginobili-light w/ better shooting.
I agree somewhat about age. I'm not really worried about a prospect we draft filling or not filling a need though. I just want to draft the best prospect available. Figure out the fit and rotation later.
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Game6Conley
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OMG what did I walk into? A serious discussion about Grayson vs Herro? It's not even remotely close.
Herro should be compared to Luke Kennard, and he's a better passer than Luke for sure, while Grayson should be compared more to a fringe rotational player
I used to make a big stink here about how I didn't think that Grayson was even close to Kevin Huerter, or Josh Okogie, and i stand by it....
The big issue with Grayson is they passed on Mitchell Robinson tho... i'd be sick..
Herro should be compared to Luke Kennard, and he's a better passer than Luke for sure, while Grayson should be compared more to a fringe rotational player
I used to make a big stink here about how I didn't think that Grayson was even close to Kevin Huerter, or Josh Okogie, and i stand by it....
The big issue with Grayson is they passed on Mitchell Robinson tho... i'd be sick..
Game6Conley
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@Vermin I know ur probably long gone off this forum but we were right about Khem Birch after-all
A lot of people really like Herro.
The only reason Grayson isn't playable is because he has unbelievably bad defensive reactions. I'm not a Herro expert, but he's probably better than Allen in that department.
If I'm the Jazz, what I really want is a guy who can get me 25/8/7 on any given night. That's a full-sized forward with advanced feel and ball skills. Examples would be a young, healthy Danilo Gallinari (which never really existed), Lebron obviously (who can put up those numbers by halftime), and a few other outliers like Giannis, Otto Porter on his best day, Lamar Odom, Paul Pierce, etc. That would be the ticket. Then the Jazz could fill in the gaps in a number of ways.
I'm not sure there's anyone in this draft who can do it, unless Zion becomes at least a secondary ball handler. Everything would have to go right for Hachimura to sniff that type of role, and it's unlikely.
I'm not sure there's anyone in this draft who can do it, unless Zion becomes at least a secondary ball handler. Everything would have to go right for Hachimura to sniff that type of role, and it's unlikely.
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I did this comparison and got called a racist how dare you?
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Hope Mo Bamba picks it up next year, I was hoping he'd make it this year for the Magics but was a disappointment so far. Magics aren't usually good at developing their young players lately.
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Fwiw I didn’t say Grayson was better than Herro. It’s just not happening. DL isn’t selecting a 2 a year after selecting a 2...he’s loyal to his draft picks. He gives them time to develop. And with Mitchell, O’Neale, and Exum all capable of playing the 2 as well, it simply isn’t happening imo.
But he drafted Grayson... a 2 after he drafted a 2 (Mitchell)
I don't think Herro is out of the question if he's up.
Yes, I'm sure the Jazz would also like to draft an All-Star with the 20-somethingth pick in the draft.
ESPN has moved Louis King up from #52 to #36 on their Big Board. Now they're only off by like 12 spots.
Game6Conley
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Mo will be fine, the ppl panicking about him aren't the brightest bunch... There's a lot of hysteria around the Magic for some odd reason this year, or at least thats what I sense.
My top-10 shoulda been a lot better last year, that being said I just wasn't gonna have it right..
I suspect that Marvin Bagley is gonna end up the best of all the rookies.... After keeping close watch over the class this year, thats my final answer, I know its super unpopular but he is far more natural out of the perimeter than ppl realized.
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Care to log a prediction on whats gonna happen with EJ Montgomery? Hagans and Quickley?
I really like Montgomery.. I know it's unpopular but I'd have him somewhere in the top half of the 2nd rd
Care to log a prediction on whats gonna happen with EJ Montgomery? Hagans and Quickley?
I really like Montgomery.. I know it's unpopular but I'd have him somewhere in the top half of the 2nd rd
I predict EJ and Quickley go back to UK (and small possibility of a transfer depending how recruiting finishes up).
I think Hagans goes to the draft (I’m not high on him though).
EJ has a long way to go but tons of potential. Game hasn’t slowed down for him yet.
Based on the little I've watched of the tournaments and some highlights of players, I kinda like two guys that ESPN has below 20 on their top 100. Horton-Tucker and Paschall. I think both are interesting prospects with untapped upside a good feel for the game.
Horton-Tucker is super young and he looks a lot bigger than his listed 6'4 he's listed at. Why not bet high and take a risk on him despite the high variance in his production? He's got upside in a lot of areas that are very sought after in today's NBA. We can develop someone who can possibly play 1-3 and some 4 under certain circumstances.
I like Paschall's upside as a secondary playmaker. He should probably exchange some body fat with muscle, but he's pretty mobile and explosive for someone his weight. I wanna see how he's shooting at the next level and how much he can do with the ball in his hands. Reminds me of Millsap in certain ways.
Horton-Tucker is super young and he looks a lot bigger than his listed 6'4 he's listed at. Why not bet high and take a risk on him despite the high variance in his production? He's got upside in a lot of areas that are very sought after in today's NBA. We can develop someone who can possibly play 1-3 and some 4 under certain circumstances.
I like Paschall's upside as a secondary playmaker. He should probably exchange some body fat with muscle, but he's pretty mobile and explosive for someone his weight. I wanna see how he's shooting at the next level and how much he can do with the ball in his hands. Reminds me of Millsap in certain ways.
Game6Conley
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whats ur feeling on Todd or Dante reclassing up?
Next years team is gonna be way better, can't wait.
PG - Maxey
SG - Whitney
SF - Brooks Jr.
PF - Todd
C - Montgomery
would be just devastating and lots of fun and the optics of it would be awesome, type of thing that younger players would look at and want to go to UK to replicate.
I hope Baker xfers to Cal and we land Lester Quinones btw. Kid can shoot the lights out, future pro.