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Rubashov said:
I'd give Crowder a B- and DL a C+, Royce's season hasn't been terrible but I think most of us after the Houston series last year expected him to take another step this year and he hasn't, I've been slightly disappointed. Joe's season has been remarkable especially when you take into account what's happened off court with his family, love that dude.

Additionally I give the organization a B+ for the way they've handled off court issues this year, Gail Miller is class.
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O'Neale has shot a lot better this season. I don't think he'll ever be great. Just a nice role player.
 
Gobert: A (Still dominant defensively and has shown real improvement on offense. Hasn't missed a game this season.)
Mitchell: A- (Got off to a slow start due to the injury he sustained in last years playoffs. He's been fantastic since January. Might carry the largest offensive load of any player on a playoff team in the entire league.)
Ingles: A- (Averaging career highs in points and assists, highest plus-minus on the team, has played in 300 straight games, possibly our best passer and playmaker. Bit of a down shooting year but still very good at 45% from the field and 39% from 3.)
Favors: A- (Has been incredibly consistent this year and post all star break has been playing some of the best basketball of his career.)
Rubio: C+ (Been pretty inconsistent, shot the ball poorly for the most part. For all his faults the offense is better when he's on the floor and his passing and playmaking has been good.)
Crowder: C+ (Poor shooting and poor shot selection. I also think he's a little overrated on defense. Provides toughness and hustle.)
Korver: B- (Hasn't shot the ball as well as expected but still provides great spacing on offense.)
O'Neale: B-
Exum: D
Neto: B-
Thabo: C+
Niang: C+
Grayson: D-
Udoh: B
Quin: A
DL: C+
 
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Alfalfa said:
O'Neale has shot a lot better this season. I don't think he'll ever be great. Just a nice role player.
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What did he average during the Rockets series last year? 11p 4r and 4a? Something like that? Looked dynamic, made good decisions in the open court, more than anything he played with confidence, I thought he'd come out of his corner this year swinging and he didn't, his play has got better as the year has gone on. He consistently plays great D, I'd just like him to show up more often for us on offence.
 
Rubashov said:
What did he average during the Rockets series last year? 11p 4r and 4a? Something like that? Looked dynamic, made good decisions in the open court, more than anything he played with confidence, I thought he'd come out of his corner this year swinging and he didn't, his play has got better as the year has gone on. He consistently plays great D, I'd just like him to show up more often for us on offence.
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His offense still needs time.
 
Jingled said:
Gobert: A (Still dominant defensively and has shown real improvement on offense. Hasn't missed a game this season.)
Mitchell: A- (Got off to a slow start due to the injury he sustained in last years playoffs. He's been fantastic since January. Might carry the largest offensive load of any player on a playoff team in the entire league.)
Ingles: A- (Averaging career highs in points and assists, highest plus-minus on the team, has played in 300 straight games, possibly our best passer and playmaker. Bit of a down shooting year but still very good at 45% from the field and 39% from 3.)
Favors: A- (Has been incredibly consistent this year and post all star break has been playing some of the best basketball of his career.)
Rubio: C+ (Been pretty inconsistent, shot the ball poorly for the most part. For all his faults the offense is better when he's on the floor and his passing and playmaking has been good.)
Crowder: C+ (Poor shooting and poor shot selection. I also think he's a little overrated on defense. Provides toughness and hustle.)
Korver: B- (Hasn't shot the ball as well as expected but still provides great spacing on offense.)
O'Neale: B-
Exum: D
Neto: B
Thabo: C+
Niang: C+
Grayson: D-
Udoh: B
Quin: A
DL: C+
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Pretty much this^^^

I would quibble just a bit and give Favors a solid A (taking into account his name being floated as trade bait most of the season, and how he handled that, in addition to beasting most of the year)
I would also give Exum an "I" (incomplete) for the 4th year running?!? It's not his fault he ded.

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fishonjazz said:
Its that time again. Every year I do a thread for grading the Jazz. Season is about over and i have a bit of time so here goes. (Not gonna grade guys like bradley, naz, cavanaugh, etc) Expectations do come into play.

Rudy "Stifle Tower" Gobert: A+. Best year of his career. Should have been an all star. Possibly top 10 player in the league. Dunks in a season record. Leads the league in field goal percentage. Passed Karl Malone for double double in a season. Likely DPOY again. Possible all nba. Improved his scoring arsenal. Consistency. MVP of the team. Zero missed games iirc.

Donovan "Spida" Mitchell: A-. Only gets the minus cause of expectations and a slow start. Carries the team offensively with little help. Stepped in at pg after all the injuries and did a great job. Efficiency has been great after january (im blaming early struggles on lingering health issues). Leadership. Personality. SHOES on the way soon. Jazz will go as far as he takes us.

Joe "Jingles" Ingles: A-. Ultimate glue guy. Has had some up and downs but mostly ups. Possibly the best point guard on the team. Great defender. Best trash talker in the league. Leads the entire nba in making the opponent get jingled. Iconic. Mr steal yo girl despite looking your drunk uncle at thanksgiving dinner.

Derrick "Trans DF Express" Favors: A-. We would be ****ed without this dude. Ultimate team player. No one sacrifices more. Total pro despite constant trade rumours. Best season of his career by advanced stats. Stayed healthy all year. (I refuse to believe he is injured. Just resting)

Ricky "jekyll or hyde" Rubio: C. Only grade that makes sense. He is either sensless or sensational with little in between. Finishing the season strong like last year. We will need a strong effort from him in the playoffs if we want to make any noise. Im rooting for him.

Jae "lobster tail" Crowder: C-. Tough one to grade. I gave him a lower grade cause i was expecting around 40% from three and he hasn't delivered. Gives the team great boost of toughness and attitude. Has expanded his drive game. Ok defender.

Royce "buckets" Oneal: C-. Another tough one. Great defender. Shooting a good percentage from 3. I just wish he provided more consistent offense. My expectations for him this year were probably way too high. I though he would be playing a lot more minutes and scoring more points. Korver probably stole some of his thunder (and minutes)

Kyle "Ashton with plastic surgery gone wrong" Korver: C+. He is what we needed when we acquired him (shooting) but his 38% from 3 is quite a bit lower than i expected. His defense and hustle are better than I expected and his floor spreading still helps even when he is off. I just wish he were off less often. Seems like he is either on fire or cold.

Thabo "i got no nickname for him" Sefalosha: C. Provides some decent defense and his shooting has been better than i expected but i mostly think "meh" when it comes to him (maybe meh should be his nickname lol) but thats ok. He is old and cheap. Cant expect to much. He is what he is.

Raul "pretty boy neato nato" Neto: B-. I love the guy so im biased. If he never got hurt I would give him a B+ or A-. I think he always exceeds everyones expectations. Best 3rd string point guard in the nba. Tough, pesky, high motor, great teammate and steady as can be.

Ekpe "bookworm" Udoh: D. He has had a rough year. Nice to see him play like I expect him to last night. Im probably being to hard on a guy that plays 5 minutes per game but I expected better defense than he has provided.

Dante "unded" Exum: D. I typically give him an incomplete in this thread but im sick of handing him that grade over and over. Signed a new contract. played like **** a bunch and then had flashes of some good games and then predictably got hurt again.

Grayson "Kobra Kai" Allen: D-. Couldn't crack the rotation much and when he did he stunk up the joint (excluding last night). At least he didn't trip and injure anyone.

Georges "Gorgeous" Niang: C+. I enjoy watching him play and always feel like he is on the cusp of being a true rotational nba player but he just cant seem to really get over the hump. Probably deserves a worse grade than im giving him.

Quin "bond villian hooker murdering coke sniffin psycho" Quin: A. (im sure he is a nice guy and feel bad about the nickname but i mean thats what everyone sees and talks about right?) Should be up for coach of the year. Players have always bought what he is selling and thats the most important part of coaching imo. I bitch about his rotations all the time but I would do that no matter who was coaching. Its a tough gig.

Dennis "kevin mchale" Lindsey: D. He got Korver for Burks and 2 2nd rounders. thats all he did this year really. (Drafted allen and picked up guys like cavanaugh and niang) Feel that more should have been done to improve the team. But..... the team he has built over his term at GM has been pretty damn well done so the D grade is just for this season but not a reflection of the job he has done.

Jazzfanz: C- I feel like the forum has been pretty dead and there has been too much complaining about this team. We are gonna win 50 games in the tough *** west! Lets enjoy it! Celebrate these guys!

Jazz fans (at the arena): D The jimmer debacle. The bannings. The orlando boo game. We are better than that.

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Good post.
And great point on the arena

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Grades based on expectations/role/performance i think I was prolly nicer than others.

Rudy A
DM A
Joe A
Favs A
Ricky - B-
Dante - F harsh but its pretty clear imo
Neto - B+ would be an A if he could play 75% of the time
Jae - B
Thabo B-
Udoh A
Allen B-
Niang B- I had higher hopes... he's been fine.
Royce B-
Bradley C
Kyle B+

Quin - A

DL - Just this year... C+ Let's look at this year. he doesn't get credit for prior year performance in this year's grade.

Draft -Grayson... that is fine. Didn't move up (can't do it every year). Didn't acquire an extra pick. Sold a pick for cash. B- here.

Free Agency - Retained our guys, but did so at a steep price with regard to Exum. Contract now looks bad. Favs has been good and worth his deal... though if he had gone elsewhere his deal would likely have been smaller. We kept these guys on flexible deals in part to use as trade pieces (at least that's what I thought). C+ here

Trades - Kyle was a good deal... not a homerun, but we needed a piece. Failed to get a big deal done when one was supposedly on the table with Conley. If Exum was the holdup I think I would move the grade down. I'm not sure I believe that story. Other potentially good pieces also moved that he didn't get in on. OP Jr. in particular. It takes two to tango... but he wasn't able to get it done... he takes some of the blame. C+ here

DL had a down year... over his tenure I'd still give him an A or A-
 
Shad said:
Anyone giving Exum higher then a D is a travesty. THAT's even being lenient
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Its an F.... I get the "he got hurt he can't help that" Don't matter... **** happens its an F. If I have a class and get Mono and can't show up for test or assignments does the teacher give me an A? Nope!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its an F.... I get the "he got hurt he can't help that" Don't matter... **** happens its an F. If I have a class and get Mono and can't show up for test or assignments does the teacher give me an A? Nope!
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100% agree with this. Exum in the last 5 years has been an F at best
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Grades based on expectations/role/performance i think I was prolly nicer than others.

Rudy A
DM A
Joe A
Favs A
Ricky - B-
Dante - F harsh but its pretty clear imo
Neto - B+ would be an A if he could play 75% of the time
Jae - B
Thabo B-
Udoh A
Allen B-
Niang B- I had higher hopes... he's been fine.
Royce B-
Bradley C
Kyle B+

Quin - A

DL - Just this year... C+ Let's look at this year. he doesn't get credit for prior year performance in this year's grade.

Draft -Grayson... that is fine. Didn't move up (can't do it every year). Didn't acquire an extra pick. Sold a pick for cash. B- here.

Free Agency - Retained our guys, but did so at a steep price with regard to Exum. Contract now looks bad. Favs has been good and worth his deal... though if he had gone elsewhere his deal would likely have been smaller. We kept these guys on flexible deals in part to use as trade pieces (at least that's what I thought). C+ here

Trades - Kyle was a good deal... not a homerun, but we needed a piece. Failed to get a big deal done when one was supposedly on the table with Conley. If Exum was the holdup I think I would move the grade down. I'm not sure I believe that story. Other potentially good pieces also moved that he didn't get in on. OP Jr. in particular. It takes two to tango... but he wasn't able to get it done... he takes some of the blame. C+ here

DL had a down year... over his tenure I'd still give him an A or A-
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Out of all the grades, this one has been 100% on point and the most accurate without the homerism
 
Gobert: A
Mitchell: B+ (beginning of the year was bad, and we can't ignore the shot selection sometimes)
Ingles: B+
Favors: B+
Rubio: C
Crowder: B-
Korver: B (do people know he's having a career year right now?)
O'Neale: B+
Neto: B
Thabo: P
Allen: D-
Udoh: D+
Bradley: Absent
Exum: F

Quin: A-
DL: D
 
Mitchell: B
Gobert: A
Favors: B+
Ingles: B+
Rubio: D+
Royce: B
Jae: C
Exum: C-
Neto: B
Thabo: B
Niang: B
Udoh: B
Korver: B-
Allen: D+
DL: B
Snyder: A-
 
Thanks @fishonjazz for starting this thread.

Gobert A+: keeps improving, has stayed healthy, DPOY

Mitchell A-: sophomore slump start, but All Star quality in 2019

Ingles A-: always ready, runs offense, does everything

Favors B+: very consistent but still only a complimentary player

Korver B-: great addition (on and off court) for what he cost us

Royce B-: for defense and value, he's an A. Offense rough but improving.

Jae B-: great for his role. Would be higher if more consistent

Rubio C: everything Fish said. He's either sugar or ****

Neto C: another solid season especially for as little as he's paid

Thabo D+: solid role player, but for $5+, I expected a bit more

Udoh D+: on court he's a D, but morale off court brings him up

Exum D: if he didn't get hurt, he'd have been in the C range

Grayson D: thought he'd make more of an impact, but I haven't given up

Niang D

Bradley D-: at least Niang plays some


DL D to B (TBD): Pros Korver and bringing back Favors. Cons paying Exum and Favors more than market value and not doing anything else in the offseason. His grade will emerge after the playoffs. If we get ousted in the first round, his grade is D or less. If we make it out of the 1st round, he gets a C. If we compete well into the 2nd round or beyond, his grade skyrockets.

NOTE: my grades also include each player's contract size when determining the overall grade
 
Using Alphas template. Differences are bolded and I added Thabo, Allen, and Quin.

Gobert: A
Mitchell: B+
Ingles: B
Favors: B+
Rubio: C
Royce: B-
Jae: C+
Exum: D+
Neto: C+
Niang: C-
Korver: B
Allen: F(and I'm a fan)
Thabo: C-
DL: C-
Snyder: B
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Grades based on expectations/role/performance i think I was prolly nicer than others.

Rudy A
DM A
Joe A
Favs A
Ricky - B-
Dante - F harsh but its pretty clear imo
Neto - B+ would be an A if he could play 75% of the time
Jae - B
Thabo B-
Udoh A
Allen B-
Niang B- I had higher hopes... he's been fine.
Royce B-
Bradley C
Kyle B+

Quin - A

DL - Just this year... C+ Let's look at this year. he doesn't get credit for prior year performance in this year's grade.

Draft -Grayson... that is fine. Didn't move up (can't do it every year). Didn't acquire an extra pick. Sold a pick for cash. B- here.

Free Agency - Retained our guys, but did so at a steep price with regard to Exum. Contract now looks bad. Favs has been good and worth his deal... though if he had gone elsewhere his deal would likely have been smaller. We kept these guys on flexible deals in part to use as trade pieces (at least that's what I thought). C+ here

Trades - Kyle was a good deal... not a homerun, but we needed a piece. Failed to get a big deal done when one was supposedly on the table with Conley. If Exum was the holdup I think I would move the grade down. I'm not sure I believe that story. Other potentially good pieces also moved that he didn't get in on. OP Jr. in particular. It takes two to tango... but he wasn't able to get it done... he takes some of the blame. C+ here

DL had a down year... over his tenure I'd still give him an A or A-
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Great run down. A bit of grade inflation, lol. Unfairly harsh on exum compared to the rest of your grades, imo. I get the disappointment/ disillusionment though.

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