Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[One Brow]

It never occurred to any of these people that the reason fewer black people voted in 2016 is that they didn't like Hillary? Seems so obvious.

Until you try to reconcile that with the primary voting.

It's hard to believe that Russians could say things on social media that would prevent black people from voting. Can you explain how this would work?

First, do you accept that propaganda can be an effective tool for altering behavior?

You discourage people from voting by making them think their votes are irrelevant.

 

[Red]

I will just settle for the obvious conclusion that black voters didn't turn out to vote for Clinton primarily because she sucked.

Excellent!! I hope next time it occurs to you to settle for the obvious conclusion, and save yourself the trouble of asking me....

 

[Zombie]

That article has been corrected.

Thanks for the heads up

 

[One Brow]

Is it of any concern to you that the Obama FBI opened an investigation into a rival political candidate's campaign?

Had the campaign been the original target, it would be. Should the FBI shut down any investigation when a political campaign gets involved?

By the way, what's your evidence that Obama ordered the investigation?

Does it matter to you that the basis for that investigation has now been disproven?

Had the campaign been the original target, it would be. Should the FBI shut down any investigation when a political campaign gets involved?

Will you be okay if Trump uses the FBI to spy on the campaign of his eventual Democratic challenger?

If the campaign is the original target, it would be. How about you?

I suppose that if Trump is able to create some opposition research (verifiable or not) that suggests that his rival may have done something suspicious you're going to be okay with using whatever part of the Federal Intelligence Machine that might be necessary in order to stop this potential threat to our democracy.

Did you have something comparable that Clinton created? If you say the Steele report, that would just be ignorance to think that Clinton created it or that none of it was verifiable.

 

[Zombie]

I did not realize that you felt you knew me at all, let alone knew how I would respond to specific situations. And no, I do not think it was "spying" at all. If I had been the boss of the FBI, I would have put agents on the case. I would have wanted surveillance on Carter Page for one, the FBI had already contacted him years earlier to inform him they knew the Russians were trying to recruit Page as an asset, just in case he did not realize it. And Pampadopolis tells the Australian ambassador that someone is offering him Clinton emails, and you think the FBI has no business looking at Pampadopolous? What a joke! Give me a break.

And BTW, we still know nothing regarding the counterintelligence aspects to this investigation. And, therefore, for all I know, Trump may still be a subject of a counterintelligence investigation.

So Donald Trump, and 18 of his associates, have at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and Wikileaks during the campaign and transition, and the best you can come up with is "the sorts of operations that we now know the FBI conducted against the Trump campaign", as if all those contacts should warrant no concern whatsoever. And your use of the term "against" is just as loaded as Barr's use of the term "spying". But, you're pissed, apparently, and for some reason unknown to me, you've chosen me as somehow the face of what it is that you're so pissed about.

You feel "certain" you know me so well. No, you do not. Feel certain to your heart's content, but you're full of it.

I don't know red. It is a little weird that the Federal Bureau of Investigation might be involved in investigating people they suspect are committing crimes at the behest of a foreign government. Doesn't really seem like something they should be doing tbh.

 

[One Brow]

I will just settle for the obvious conclusion that black voters didn't turn out to vote for Clinton primarily because she sucked.

No one ever thought you would do otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Does it seriously not bother Trumpers that their boy’s campaign had such an abnormal amount of contact with the Russians?

And when questioned about it, either failed to disclose these contacts or altogether lied about them?

Why did Trump’s campaign continue to have contact with the Russians despite being warned in October by the FBI, CIA, and NSA that Russians were interfering in the 2016 election?

Seems to me like our immune system (FBI) after exactly the way they should. Why wouldn’t you want the rats willing to work with Russia within your campaign caught by the FBI so you could run a good and honest campaign? Unless... you wanted Russian help.

“Russia, if you’re listening...”

 

[Deleted member 365]

Trumpers can’t have it both ways. They can’t blame Obama for masterminding a Russian conspiracy and then blame him for not doing enough to prevent it.

Maybe it’s time for Trumpers to aim their “anger” at Mitch mcconnell, who threatened to go public accusing Obama of interfering with the election if Obama went public with the Russian interference that our intelligence communities were uncovering.

Pick your lane Trumpers. Either Obama was a mastermind at dooming Clinton’s campaign and causing Trump legal problems for 4+ years or he faltered to keep us informed and safe out of fear of McConnell’s politicalization of Russian interference

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Joe, I'm sure these questions are of interest to you, maybe even reflecting pressing issues on your part. But, for me to begin addressing them will likely require a lot of work, another one of my "novellas", as my comments have been termed by some, and, in general, since we are inhabiting different echo chambers, what really is the point?

It sounds like you have already located answers that satisfy you, although you don't describe those answers. But from your comments, I'm guessing you have done some reading/research of your own. But, you want me to jump through hoops for you. I have never asked you to jump through hoops, have never addressed you with a series of questions in similar fashion. Here you ask me 4 questions, and you expect me to just answer them for you, regardless of the time and effort that will take. As if I owed you a thing.

I feel I put a lot into the political threads on this forum. I'll grant most of my comments are probably not worth the cyberspace they inhabit, but it takes work, and I do put an effort in. Now, why the hell should I feel obligated to address 4 questions from you, when you clearly already have your own answers in mind?

I have not heard any reasonable answers to these questions. Should I therefore conclude that there really was a conspiracy at the highest levels of government in order to invalidate the election? It doesn't surprise me that you're not interested in answering any of those questions. The evidence appears to go directly against the narrative you've convinced yourself of. You seem to be an honest man, though, and maybe there will come a time when you become curious about these things. For me, at this time, it looks like the investigation was primarily politically motivated.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I did not realize that you felt you knew me at all, let alone knew how I would respond to specific situations. And no, I do not think it was "spying" at all. If I had been the boss of the FBI, I would have put agents on the case. I would have wanted surveillance on Carter Page for one, the FBI had already contacted him years earlier to inform him they knew the Russians were trying to recruit Page as an asset, just in case he did not realize it. And Pampadopolis tells the Australian ambassador that someone is offering him Clinton emails, and you think the FBI has no business looking at Pampadopolous? What a joke! Give me a break.

And BTW, we still know nothing regarding the counterintelligence aspects to this investigation. And, therefore, for all I know, Trump may still be a subject of a counterintelligence investigation.

So Donald Trump, and 18 of his associates, have at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and Wikileaks during the campaign and transition, and the best you can come up with is "the sorts of operations that we now know the FBI conducted against the Trump campaign", as if all those contacts should warrant no concern whatsoever. And your use of the term "against" is just as loaded as Barr's use of the term "spying". But, you're pissed, apparently, and for some reason unknown to me, you've chosen me as somehow the face of what it is that you're so pissed about.

You feel "certain" you know me so well. No, you do not. Feel certain to your heart's content, but you're full of it.

I do not feel certain that I know you (that's not at all what I said), and posts like this make it clear to me that I know you even less well than I thought.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Excellent!! I hope next time it occurs to you to settle for the obvious conclusion, and save yourself the trouble of asking me....

Wow.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I don't know red. It is a little weird that the Federal Bureau of Investigation might be involved in investigating people they suspect are committing crimes at the behest of a foreign government. Doesn't really seem like something they should be doing tbh.

I agree, and I'm sure it won't bother any of you when the FBI under the Trump administration opens an investigation on his eventual Democratic rival on the basis of whatever unsubstantiated accusations they can dream up.