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Small forwards and point guards in 2012 draft

jazzrule

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Mods with so little to talk about you might want to sticky this. In next years draft I see us going for a small forward and a point guard. Here are the small forwards first, which should go close to the GS pick range in 2012:
Michael Gilchrist – Kentucky, 6’ 7”, 221 lbs.
August 14, 2009
It would have been nice to see a lot more of Michael Gilchrist, considered by many to be arguably the best long-term prospect in high school basketball. Unfortunately we’ll have to stick with an initial first impression after seeing some small glimpses. Thankfully for us, though, Gilchrist is only 15 years old, meaning we’ll have plenty of opportunities to evaluate him down the road.

Gilchrist passes the eye test on first glance, showing great size for the wing position at 6-6 to go along with an excellent frame and a reported 7-foot wingspan. He doesn’t wow you with his athleticism initially (clearly he is still growing into his full athletic potential at this point), but seems to be a very smooth player overall and displays excellent body control, which helped him make a couple of very impressive plays, though.

Gilchrist has an extremely versatile game for such a young player, as he can do a little bit of everything at this point. He appears to have some point forward skills, showing nice court vision and an excellent feel for the game. He can post up his man but also break down the defense off the dribble, being capable of making shots from the perimeter, despite sporting a slow, fairly ugly release on his jumper. His ball-handling skills are improvable as you might imagine considering the stage of development he’s currently at.

Defensively, Gilchrist is extremely active and competitive, which is not something you find in most young star players this age, and leaves a lot of room for optimism regarding his future development. He seems to have a great demeanor on the court, not being afraid to step up in important situations, but also not trying to impose himself excessively on the game. He seemed to take pride in crashing the offensive glass in the games we saw.

Talent evaluators seem to unanimously agree that Gilchrist is an extremely special prospect with tremendous natural gifts. The challenge for him now will be to continue to play with the same type of fire that has allowed him to rise to the top of his high school class, and continue to work on his all-around game. That’s not going to be easy considering how early the spotlight came for Gilchrist, as history hasn’t always been all that kind to prospects who were “discovered” so early. We’ll have to see how he continues to develop, and we’re sure we’ll be talking plenty more about him in the coming year.


Terrance Jones of Kentucky. He is who I wanted at 12 this year before he decided not to come out. I am keeping a close eye on Derrick Williams at small forward if we have basketball this year, as Jones is about the same size as Williams at 6' 8" 244 lbs. Jones is a lefty and reminds me of Odom a lot. I figure everyone is familiar with him, so I will not cover him further here. Think we can do better in next years draft.
Quincy Miller - Baylor, 6' 10", 210 lbs.
Because of his outstanding overall skill level Miller is one of the most versatile players in the 2011 class. As a 6'10 wing player his potential and upside are phenomenal as he combines size, athleticism and a good basketball I.Q. into a difficult match-up at any level. He has the ability to score inside-out showing that he is adept at playing with his back to the basket or facing up. He can knock it down behind the arc and is a good play maker off the dribble. He is also a very good rebounder and shot blocker when he puts his mind to it.

Adonis Thomas - Memphis, 6 ' 7", 217 lbs.
(#9 Scout, #15 Rivals, #8 ESPN) is one of the most improved players in this class relative to the last time we saw him in Germany. He's made noticeable improvements in his skill-level and his feel for the game, in turn establishing himself as one of the most promising prospects in the 2011 high school class.

Thomas is still the same incredibly impressive prospect physically, measuring nearly 6-7 in shoes at the Nike Hoop Summit with a near 7-foot wingspan. At 217 pounds, he comes into college ready to play from Day One. He's extremely physical in the post, can lock down positions 2-4 effectively and is an excellent rebounder—making him a very versatile player.

Where Thomas has progressed the most is in his spot-up shooting. He looks quite a bit more consistent with his feet set than we remembered him being. He has a compact, fundamentally sound stroke that will continue to get more consistent with repetition. Off the dribble, Thomas is not quite there yet, though. His accuracy drops considerably when pulling up.

As a shot creator, Thomas can beat his man off the dribble with a powerful first step. He can also finish through contact with his mature frame, particularly in transition, where he truly excels. He still has work to do on his ball-handling skills, though. He struggles to change direction and does not possess much in the way of advanced moves in half-court settings.

Thomas is an unselfish player with excellent intangibles. He's lauded not just for his on-court exploits, but also for academic prowess. He still has plenty of room to grow as a basketball player, particularly on the offensive end, but there's no reason to believe he can't reach his full potential.

One of the 4 above should be there for us in the eleven/twelve pick range.

If we finish about the same next year record wise we would be picking around pick 12, so after getting a small forward we need a young point guard. As far a point guards to go with one of the small forwards above, I would be looking at these:

Marquis Teague - Kentucky 6' 2", 178 lbs.
Teague is the top rated lead guard in the 2011 class. With Teague, it starts with his speed and athleticism. He loves to push the tempo and he knows how to slice through the defense to create opportunities for himself and his teammates. His ball handling is impressive, as is his vision and passing ability. His brother -- Jeff Teague -- was a late bloomer and he's tracking ahead of his Wake Forest sibling at the same stage.
Myck Kabongo - Texas, 6" 2", 160 lbs.
Both a verbal leader and leader by example, Kabongo is the quintessential quarterback at the point guard position. He is quick with the ball and has a great feel for creating shots for teammates. He is also a terrific on the ball defender who seems to always be in the right position when away from the ball. Still in the process of proving himself as a scorer, Kabongo, nonetheless, commands respect from his defender.
Austin Rivers - Duke 6' 4", 175 lbs. Combo guard
A big time scoring threat, Rivers specializes at scoring off pull up jumpers from behind the arc and off a quick first step to his right. He also has an array of finishes going to the basket. His high basketball IQ also makes him a dangerous passer. On the defensive end, he does have room for improvement.
At least one of these three point guards above should be there around the 11th or 12th pick range. Who do you like, and why? Do you think they will be in the pick 11/12 range, or would they require using a player/players to trade up?
Going on vacation to Hong Kong, and just wanted to leave the board something while I am gone.
 
I'm not sure about us taking a PG in the lottery next year. Either Kabongo or Teague will have to impress in a big way, in their first season, to go that high. Having said that, I'll go with the assumption. Thoughts;

- Rivers is not a combo guard. He is strictly a 2, period.
- Neither Kabongo nor Teague are reliable with the deep ball. Both have great handles, speed, craftiness, and both over-penetrate and make too high of a percentage of bone-head plays. I do believe one of the two will settle into their PG role and have a great year .. separating himself from the other PG's in the class.
- Of the small forwards, Gilchrist is the least risky and also maybe less upside. I believe he will be a multi-year All-Star, all-defensive, overall stellar do-it-all teammate.
- Quincy Miller has ALL the tools to be a big time SF in the NBA. He has fantastic handles and shooting for his size. His risk is in his attitude (not poor, just laziness), work ethic, and a seemingly 'I am entitled' kind of aura. This first year of college will tell a lot. My prediction is several Top 10 sportcenters with a below-average body of work.
- Adonis Thomas is long, great athlete, but I'm not quite there yet with him. I watched him in several games last year and he seemed a little hit and miss (especially shooting). Looking forward to seeing him play this next year.
- Terrence Jones needs to find his niche. He demonstrated early in his feshman campaign that he is a beast and can do about anything he wants. Problem is he just over-powered, out-hustled, and beat the crap out of his opponents on this level. Calipari sat him down and told him he needs to learn to play within a team concept and hone his skills .. because he won't be able to do that to his defenders in the NBA. Jones' numbers fell off as he took the advice to heart. As a fan, it was humbling because I would look at the box scores and 'see' he didn't do much in the game .. except he did. Box scores just don't always tell the whole story. Anyway, Jones will be a good one and I like the DWill 2.0 comparison pretty well. He's a stretch PF more than a true SF. The true SF's are Gilchrist, Thomas, and Miller.
 
I think we should trade both picks if need be to land gilchrist or barnes, i would even toss in milsap if either player dominate the ncaa this year. The pgs are very underwhelming this year. I have seen myck play in person on numerous occasions and he is no better than middle of the road imo. Gilchrist is going to be a star. Plus the jazz are not going to put two more good rookies on this team, next year is when they swing for the fences and land the stud to lead our young guys.
 
Does TJ have another bro to promote? Maybe we could draft this other bro since we missed out on the other one.... ;)
 
I think we should trade both picks if need be to land gilchrist or barnes, i would even toss in milsap if either player dominate the ncaa this year. The pgs are very underwhelming this year. I have seen myck play in person on numerous occasions and he is no better than middle of the road imo. Gilchrist is going to be a star. Plus the jazz are not going to put two more good rookies on this team, next year is when they swing for the fences and land the stud to lead our young guys.

I agree with this. We've got a lot of youth and I don't think we bank on picking up a guy who's currently in HS to be running the point. I think if all the hard work and character stories end up being shown about Gilchrist then we will use whatever picks we've got to land him and call it a draft. The rest of the pieces will be added through veterans and free agency. We don't need big time free agents, but just decent guys like a Hinrich and then just a couple of three point shooters off the bench.
 
We're all on the same page here. Only one rook, a small forward, - trade both picks to move up to get the one they want. Include other assets if need be (one of the Jazz' many PFs).

I hope the Jazz will have multiple playmakers on the perimeter - Hayward, Burks?, Harris or Hinrich or Earl etc. No ball dominant players. TEAM.
 
I think Quincy Miller deserves a look as well. He plays a bit selfishly and lazily, but is supremely talented and hits the 3 ball pretty well for a 6'9 SF. Need to watch what he does this year. I still believe Gillie is the better player for the long-haul, but Miller is intriguing.
 
I know adding two more rookies to an already young team is risky, but if we don't get our point guard of the future in next year's draft, when will we? I agree that an All-Star small forward should be our first priority, but unless you think Harris will stay at the same level for the next 5 years, we have to address the point guard position in the draft as well. Not that I don't think we should trade up to get Gilchrist, or maybe even Barnes, I just don't think we should give up both our picks to do so. We're in a unique situation. We have plenty of other assets that could be used to trade up: Jefferson, Millsap, and Harris could all be used to accomplish this, and would all be worth it if it meant getting both our small forward and point guard of the future. Of course, this is assuming Teague or Kabongo are worth taking in the late lottery, which I believe they will be. We'll just have to wait and see how they perform this upcoming season.

My ideal situation is that the Jazz come out of the 2012 draft with both our small forward of the future, preferably Gilchrist, and our point guard of the future, preferably Teague, by giving up some combination of Jefferson, Millsap, and Harris.
 
I think what people are struggling with is that you ideally want someone with a bit of experience and maturity running the point. It's not that anyone's against developing a PG, but just that all of the other components for our team are already in place and we are on the upswing. If the PG were our first or second piece to acquire then people may be more patient. If you have a young nucleus then you ideally don't want to add your newest and youngest player at PG. It's unknown how many picks we'll have next year, if any. I'm guessing Gilchrist is slightly out of range for us unless we package picks. I think we only take one player. Are there any teams we can think of that had 7 players with two or less years experience?
 
Well right now, no one knows if there will be a season or how the draft will be structured or if the Jazz will have two picks.

However, since we are speculating about possibilities, I rank my interest in the mentioned players as 1) Gilchrist 2) Adonis Thomas 3) Quincy Miller 4) Teague. I think Miller is potentially the best player but I have my doubts about his mentality of playing selfishly. If Thomas has improved his shooting then I would seriously consider him.

There is no way I would trade both picks at this time. I wait until there is a CBA to see if it allows high schoolers to jump immediately to the NBA. I want to see the CAP ceiling and how contracts will work. Having too much talent is never a problem. I think if the Jazz were able to get a top SF and a starting PG like Teague, Wonton , Kabongo then the Jazz would be very scary immediately and I would be shocked if they didn't at least win the West in a few (3) years. Yes you heard first.
 
My ideal situation is that the Jazz come out of the 2012 draft with both our small forward of the future, preferably Gilchrist, and our point guard of the future, preferably Teague, by giving up some combination of Jefferson, Millsap, and Harris.

I actually think this is fairly realistic. Count me in the camp that is not excited to package and move up. There's just so much quality depth that you're likely giving up too much. Just because we take two in the draft doesn't mean we have to keep both, followin'?
 
I'm still laughing about the "article" on Gilchrist being from when he was 15...shouldn't we have at least used a recent one haha.
 
We're all on the same page here. Only one rook, a small forward, - trade both picks to move up to get the one they want. Include other assets if need be (one of the Jazz' many PFs).

I hope the Jazz will have multiple playmakers on the perimeter - Hayward, Burks?, Harris or Hinrich or Earl etc. No ball dominant players. TEAM.

While agree, history says having one guy that CAN take over and be the 'the man' is important. It's hard to strike that balance, but when you do you usually end up with a championship eventually.
 
We have all the pieces coming together nicely to make a run like we haven't seen in a long time (and hopefully never have). However, I agree with Numberica. I want THE guy that can be counted on in most games, to take over, to will us to the big wins.
 
This forum might be the most hellacious place in existence for the next year. Good lord.

And I'm just going to keep coming back for more for some reason.
 
Not an expert, but I know this new '12 mock is worthless ****. Laughable. Can't wait to see DX update and compare the two.
 
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