You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Could be, but you are paying you point guard 40 million dollars, about a third of your cap, and you really have nothing else that can be parlayed to anything of value. In fact, you have a pot full of negative assets. Additionally, you will just be good enough to come in at the hind end of the lottery, but never good enough to actually make the playoffs, even in the east.

A rebuild done the right way can take 3 or 4 years, if you are lucky. Charlotte would be years away from even starting the process.

Now imagine being in this situation with no draft picks. . .

That $6M might mean an additional 12-18M in tax so it is significant. They are in bad situation... should have moved Kemba a year and a half ago. Now it's burn assets to make budget or let the best player they have had walk for nothing because of money.

They could re-sign him and hope to do the Blake Griffin flip... but that is risky.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't see/understand why the Jazz would want to trade for anything on the Charlotte roster not named Jeremy Lamb or Miles Bridges. Their roster is doo doo, and I'd absolutely take Love and his contract over Batum and his contract as at least with Love I know that if I can get him healthy at the right time then he's a game changing player offensively for the Jazz whereas Batum has been washed for years now.

Love is not a game changer and may be more washed than Nic. His contract is two years longer than Nic's. It's not that we want Nic we want the stuff that comes with Nic, even so I think I'd rather have Nic the player than Kevin.

Kevin is coming off an injury and has been far less durable than Nic. I think Batum is not what he once was but I don't think he's washed... he has not been washed for years. He is not the sieve Love is defensively either.

 

[Tragic66]

The only thing they have to do to convince Kemba to stay is offer him the supermax.

Beat me to it.

 

[Tragic66]

Is our business model to get blown out of the playoffs every year? Is our business model to lose our talented drafted players to free agency in exchange for nothing? Is our business model to remain a team that has ZERO championships? Oh yea, we better not disrupt that! Thank's for your 2 cents!

The business model is to have a profitable team, winning championships way down the list of priorities.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I'm of the impression that Kemba can be a much more efficient player than he already is if he doesn't have to rely on Jeremy Lamb or 85 year old Nic Batum to be his 2nd options, and he actually gets to play in a lineup with more than one or two shooters on the floor.

There's a fair concern around him and how he goes surviving a 4 year max at his age and size but efficiency is one of the last things I'd knock Kemba for given the dog **** rosters MJ puts around him year after year which he can borderline drag to the playoffs year in and year out, even with all of his defensive deficiencies.

Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt it doesn't change the fact he's so little and would get hunted and killed on defense because he can't switch defensively. That's a major issue come playoffs and really the elephant in the room as it relates to Kemba.

 

[homeytennis]

Do what it takes to get that third piece. We will probably have to trade for it as I doubt a free agent wants to come to Salt Lake.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think the Pacers are our stiffest direct competition on the market this off-season. They have more cap than us (thanks Exum), had a more exciting season, and exist in the east. They're also in the market for both Tobias and Conley.

 

[LoPo]

I think it would have to be after they had Kemba signed and we missed out in FA. I don't think they give up premium assets before that. I also think they would want the money saving rather than players so Crowder and space for Batum, 2021 pick (this is the draft HS players may come... the perceived value of this pick could be huge if we wanted to flip it), and Bridges. I don't love this year's draft so #12 is pretty meh... I would want a future pick.

I would have to have Miles... I like him a lot and think he could be just a wonderful fit on and off the court.

I think Batum can bounce back... I think the coaching change hurt him a bit... he also played with Kemba and Lamb a lot... not sure if he wasn't involved in the offense by choice or by design. Funky year for him.

Great post.

If we strike out in free agency, Batum, Bridges and their 2021 1st for our cap space and a 2nd.

They get completely out of the luxury and shed Batum's $27 million for 2020-21.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the Pacers are our stiffest direct competition on the market this off-season. They have more cap than us (thanks Exum), had a more exciting season, and exist in the east. They're also in the market for both Tobias and Conley.

The thing with them is they need to retain their own guys and Turners extension kicks in... to really have space they need to remove caphold a for Bojan and Thad... both guys are pretty critical. It’s tough for them to match salary in a trade with Conley.

I think Boston may get in on Conley with Hayward and a first or two.

I think Brooklyn and Philly are the biggest Tobias competitors. I think we have the most compelling basketball case for him. If he prefers money... then it’s Philly... if he wants to go home to a cool market then it could be Brooklyn.... if Oladipo was healthy then I could see it with Tobias... but they have to cut something to add him...

 

[Sandman822]

Love is not a game changer and may be more washed than Nic. His contract is two years longer than Nic's. It's not that we want Nic we want the stuff that comes with Nic, even so I think I'd rather have Nic the player than Kevin.

Kevin is coming off an injury and has been far less durable than Nic. I think Batum is not what he once was but I don't think he's washed... he has not been washed for years. He is not the sieve Love is defensively either.

Nic Batum really isn't that good, and the only real plus Batum has in his favour over Love is 2 less years on the deal. But Batum has gone through a couple of coaches now, has tried being played anywhere from 2 - 4 with some stints as a small ball 5 as well with Borrego, and he could barely keep himself in the starting lineup this year... he's not worth the money he's getting over 1 year let alone 2, and he's absolutely been washed ever since the Hornets last playoff appearance. If Batum was even 80% of what he once was the Hornets would be making the playoffs every year in the East but he's a far cry from that guy. If it wasn't for his deal only being 2 more years he'd easily be top 5 worst contract in the NBA. Joe Ingles is a clearly superior player for a fraction of price as while Batum has some nice %s he more or less can't create shots for others or himself anymore as he appeared to have lost a step this year and he really struggled running the PnR, whereas at least with Ingles he can secondary playmake as well as space the floor and defend... I don't get why you would be ok with trading for Batum.

Love on the other hand turned a Cavs team that was going for the worst record in the league into a semi competent team (Cavs were +7.8 per 100 better with him on the floor as the #1 option) and he would absolutely change the game for the Jazz in giving Mitchell a reliable 2nd option floor spacing 4 who can run pick and pops with and have Gobert on the roll in potential 3 man actions as one example. I don't really want the Jazz to get Love because of the injury concerns, but he's pretty clearly a better player than Batum and he's still a better option even when contracts are factored in.

 

[Udidthizz]

Great post.

If we strike out in free agency, Batum, Bridges and their 2021 1st for our cap space and a 2nd.

They get completely out of the luxury and shed Batum's $27 million for 2020-21.

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Looks like a good deal for us. But I doubt Charlotte is willing to give up Miles and a 1st. I also doubt Charlotte is willing to give up Miles at all, though I'd love to have him here.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The thing with them is they need to retain their own guys and Turners extension kicks in... to really have space they need to remove caphold a for Bojan and Thad... both guys are pretty critical. It’s tough for them to match salary in a trade with Conley.

I think Boston may get in on Conley with Hayward and a first or two.

I think Brooklyn and Philly are the biggest Tobias competitors. I think we have the most compelling basketball case for him. If he prefers money... then it’s Philly... if he wants to go home to a cool market then it could be Brooklyn.... if Oladipo was healthy then I could see it with Tobias... but they have to cut something to add him...

The same could be said for us. They would have to renounce Thad Young, but he'd probably be necessarily gone anyway, after that, it's renouncing Collison, Tyreke Evans, and Cory Joseph. They would have have a max slot even with Bogdonovic's caphold.

They probably wouldn't be able to get Conley AND Tobias, but they have the capspace to absorb Conley straight up as well.

I think our offseasons are going to be directly linked. I think Bogdonavic is a guy we'd love to have, and Thad Young would be a nice fit for us if they won the Tobias sweepstakes.

Anyway.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Love is not a game changer and may be more washed than Nic. His contract is two years longer than Nic's. It's not that we want Nic we want the stuff that comes with Nic, even so I think I'd rather have Nic the player than Kevin.

Kevin is coming off an injury and has been far less durable than Nic. I think Batum is not what he once was but I don't think he's washed... he has not been washed for years. He is not the sieve Love is defensively either.

Christ, Kevin Love isn't 1% as washed as Batum

 

[fishonjazz]

Nic Batum really isn't that good, and the only real plus Batum has in his favour over Love is 2 less years on the deal. But Batum has gone through a couple of coaches now, has tried being played anywhere from 2 - 4 with some stints as a small ball 5 as well with Borrego, and he could barely keep himself in the starting lineup this year... he's not worth the money he's getting over 1 year let alone 2, and he's absolutely been washed ever since the Hornets last playoff appearance. If Batum was even 80% of what he once was the Hornets would be making the playoffs every year in the East but he's a far cry from that guy. If it wasn't for his deal only being 2 more years he'd easily be top 5 worst contract in the NBA. Joe Ingles is a clearly superior player for a fraction of price as while Batum has some nice %s he more or less can't create shots for others or himself anymore as he appeared to have lost a step this year and he really struggled running the PnR, whereas at least with Ingles he can secondary playmake as well as space the floor and defend... I don't get why you would be ok with trading for Batum.

Love on the other hand turned a Cavs team that was going for the worst record in the league into a semi competent team (Cavs were +7.8 per 100 better with him on the floor as the #1 option) and he would absolutely change the game for the Jazz in giving Mitchell a reliable 2nd option floor spacing 4 who can run pick and pops with and have Gobert on the roll in potential 3 man actions as one example. I don't really want the Jazz to get Love because of the injury concerns, but he's pretty clearly a better player than Batum and he's still a better option even when contracts are factored in.

Would love also come with a few picks and another young promising player though?
I mean he says right in he post you quoted that it isnt about getting batum but rather the stuff we get for taking on his contract


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[LoPo]

Looks like a good deal for us. But I doubt Charlotte is willing to give up Miles and a 1st. I also doubt Charlotte is willing to give up Miles at all, though I'd love to have him here.

I think it all depends on how much they like Lamb or have their eye on free agents or trade targets. Without Batum and Bridges, Charlotte could keep Lamb and probably stay under the luxury. They could also get really bold and trade expirings and 2nd rounders for a guy like Love.

If you told Charlotte they could start Kemba, Lamb, Kevin Love, Monk and not have to pay the luxury, they would love that. Of course this all depends on how much they love Bridges. If they like him as much as I like the idea of him, they won't let him go.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Christ, Kevin Love isn't 1% as washed as Batum

I mean Kevin looked amazing in those 22 games he played this season.

 

[carolinajazz]

What exactly is the status of Rubio's contract with the Jazz? Is he a complete free agent? Is it a players option? A team option? Exactly how much did we pay him last year? How much is he asking for this year? What would the Jazz be willing to offer him to stay on board?

 

[dong2ha]

What exactly is the status of Rubio's contract with the Jazz? Is he a complete free agent? Is it a players option? A team option? Exactly how much did we pay him last year? How much is he asking for this year? What would the Jazz be willing to offer him to stay on board?

he gone. 100%


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[colton]

What exactly is the status of Rubio's contract with the Jazz? Is he a complete free agent? Is it a players option? A team option? Exactly how much did we pay him last year? How much is he asking for this year? What would the Jazz be willing to offer him to stay on board?

He is a complete free agent. The Jazz paid him $14.8 million last year, possibly a little more if he met some incentives. I'd be shocked if the Jazz offer him anything to stay on board, but if they do I really hope it's not more than about $10-11 million (just above the MLE). I don't think he's worth more than that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The same could be said for us. They would have to renounce Thad Young, but he'd probably be necessarily gone anyway, after that, it's renouncing Collison, Tyreke Evans, and Cory Joseph. They would have have a max slot even with Bogdonovic's caphold.

They probably wouldn't be able to get Conley AND Tobias, but they have the capspace to absorb Conley straight up as well.

I think our offseasons are going to be directly linked. I think Bogdonavic is a guy we'd love to have, and Thad Young would be a nice fit for us if they won the Tobias sweepstakes.

Anyway.

I don't think they have max space unless they waive all of their capholds. It is very close so they could offload TJ Leaf on someone to do it, but I have them about a $1M short (depends on if cap comes in at $108M or 109M... playoff revenue likely determines the difference).

There is some danger for them in focusing on Tobias imo… if they lost Bojan and Thad I'm not sure Tobias is a huge get. Thad is really important to their defense.

They definitely can't get Conley and Harris.

Your overall point that we will be in the same conversations is correct though. They can likely get Conley if they put Holiday in the deal and can make a solid pitch to Tobias... I think they have a greater risk of loss than us though. I'm not sure how hard they go after free agents versus focusing on their own guys. If they did pay Tobias I'd go pretty hard on Bojan and they may not want to make an offer there. they don't have full bird rights on him, but if they preserve the caphold could offer 4/82M which should be more than enough to keep him.