Rudy Gobert selected to third team All-NBA

[fishonjazz]

What’s the alternative?

And I’m serious, do you start trying to trade him? Does any team put half as much value on him as we do? Let him walk? Insult him with a lower offer?

I don't know but everything should be considered (including paying the man).

Just have to really really be sure. Again, 60 million and 800 thousand dollars a season for a 33 year old. And I have heard it said that guys like him body wise age faster.


And again, I would be concerned about paying Steph, KD, kahwi, LeBron 60 million when they are 33 years old. This ain't a Rudy thing

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Exactly, you don't get to be picky about the two stars you drafted late in the draft a few years apart. There are no do-overs. These are our guys.


And my playoff comment didn't mean anything regarding Rudy, just that the playoffs are a completely different beast in general.

I didn't take it that way... just know that narrative has been going around... more nationally than anything. I'm watching the playoffs and seeing Gasol and Lopez playing 30 minutes a night, Looney for GSW, Leonard/Kanter for the Blazers... like the death of the big man has been a little premature and over-sold.

If we had real spacing around Rudy teams would have to really pick their poison and Rudy would dominate. We've started him with two non-shooters (I mean Ricky kind of makes shots sometimes but dudes play way off him). You have to build with DM and Rudy in mind and fit around them... we have not done a great job of that.

Plus...Rudy gets better every year. Per36 this year he increased his pts by +3, assists by .6 (50% increase), rebounds by 2.6, FG % by 5%... blocks the same turnover slightly down. All while working with a young superstar and a few clunky fits. Just watch Rudy some nights... he sprints to set 2-3 picks on a play and then dives to the rim... sprints back on defense, shows on the perimeter then dives down to get the offensive rebound... will contest the shot then get the board... do we understand how hard that is and how much effort it requires?

I understand ppg twitter doesn't get his worth... we should though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't know but everything should be considered (including paying the man).

Just have to really really be sure. Again, 60 million and 800 thousand dollars a season for a 33 year old. And I have heard it said that guys like him body wise age faster.


And again, I would be concerned about paying Steph, KD, kahwi, LeBron 60 million when they are 33 years old. This ain't a Rudy thing

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I agree and there is some flexibility there... but sometimes you pay the vet tax to open up your window. Some big guys age well... Rudy doesn't carry any extra weight so he could be fine.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

5 year supermax would require Rudy to get to free agency before making his decision. I think we would address this after next season since he'd be eligible. At that point it can only be 4 additional years. The 4 year extension with max raises would pay him $56M at age 32. But it is an extension and players generally give a little for that type of extension. So you could have it be flat or even decline by 8% or add in unlikely bonuses to get to the raise amounts. So instead of 5 years 262M it could end up being like 4 years and $200M with only 175M-180M guaranteed. Much more palatable. I'd only offer the supermax in an extension scenario and want a little bit of give there. It's a reasonable ask and it is more than he'd get on the open market and insulates him from injury risk.

 

[yamers]

The supermax was designed to help small market teams retain players, i cant believe they didnt do the math on how itll absolutely **** the salary cap up for a small market team.

Same situation in portland with dame.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I don't know but everything should be considered (including paying the man).

Just have to really really be sure. Again, 60 million and 800 thousand dollars a season for a 33 year old. And I have heard it said that guys like him body wise age faster.


And again, I would be concerned about paying Steph, KD, kahwi, LeBron 60 million when they are 33 years old. This ain't a Rudy thing

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Unless there is some other move that keeps a top 10 player in a Jazz uniform I'm really not sure there is much to discuss. None of the alternatives really make sense. 33 isn't 40, Rudy's game will probably age quite well.

 

[fishonjazz]

Unless there is some other move that keeps a top 10 player in a Jazz uniform I'm really not sure there is much to discuss. None of the alternatives really make sense. 33 isn't 40, Rudy's game will probably age quite well.

Like I said in my post. It ain't about Rudy.
It's just that I think paying guys on the downside of their careers 60 million a season might be a poor strategy no matter who the player is.

I'm totally willing to listen to some examples of when that strategy has worked out though
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[Bawse Dawg]

Like I said in my post. It ain't about Rudy.
It's just that I think paying guys on the downside of their careers 60 million a season might be a poor strategy no matter who the player is.

I'm totally willing to listen to some examples of when that strategy has worked out though
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The supermax hasn't existed long enough for someone to get $60 million annually yet. Why exactly are you so hung up on the last year of the deal, where players hardly ever live up to the value? The 6 seasons before that count too. We have no idea what the league, Jazz, or salary cap will look like in Rudy's age 33 season, so I'm not super worried about it. My priority is keeping the asset.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The supermax was designed to help small market teams retain players, i cant believe they didnt do the math on how itll absolutely **** the salary cap up for a small market team.

Same situation in portland with dame.

The cap charge is the only big issue imo… I think they should only have the cap hit be the regular max... the added payment is just the bonus for staying put. With vet minimums they do something similar... they get a little higher amount than the actual cap hit...

There is some WTF did we do momentum and I could see a retro active change in some form or fashion.

 

[Knowledgeofmine]

Sad that sports writers value Gobert more than the coaches do.

Who opinion holds more value?
A sportswriter who most likely never played hoops or the coaches who have a deeper understanding of the game. Gobert a solid player but he isn't a top 20 player in Today's game. I would cash in now if I was Jazz. PRoblem is I doubt you get back what you have put In with Gobert but giving him a max is going be a mistake we will all see a Few years down the road.

 

[fishonjazz]

The supermax hasn't existed long enough for someone to get $60 million annually yet. Why exactly are you so hung up on the last year of the deal, where players hardly ever live up to the value? The 6 seasons before that count too. We have no idea what the league, Jazz, or salary cap will look like in Rudy's age 33 season, so I'm not super worried about it. My priority is keeping the asset.

Doesn't have to be 60 million.
Are there examples of players getting supermax contacts that go until they are 33 where it's been successful? I legit have no idea.
Did Kevin love get a supermax? Who are some players who have gotten it? How has it worked out?

I'm curious if the supermax ever works out well with older players.
Or younger players even for that matter.

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[Bawse Dawg]

Doesn't have to be 60 million.
Are there examples of players getting supermax contacts that go until they are 33 where it's been successful? I legit have no idea.
Did Kevin love get a supermax? Who are some players who have gotten it? How has it worked out?

I'm curious if the supermax ever works out well with older players.
Or younger players even for that matter.

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Rudy is not old.

Steph and Harden have gotten it, going okay so far. Wall got one, disaster.

Can't really think of many more tbh. It's a fairly new thing. Gonna start happening a lot though. Kemba is 29 and will be offered a Supermax. Rudy's will look like a great contract next to that. Lillard will get one, he's older than Rudy right now.

This is the cost of doing business.

Edit, maybe Harden's wasn't a legit supermax, because Houston didn't draft him? Regardless it was a huge ****ing contract.