Hoopsworld ranks the Utah Jazz as the No.3 team in the Northwest division

[Deleted member 848]

I for one think Harris could definitely fit well in this team. Do you guys not remember how many clutch 3s he hit in the last 10-15 games of the season??? We lost a lot of close games near the end (Celitcs, Nuggets etc) of the season and Im surprised a lot of you forgot how often Harris kept us in those games with his 3point shots in the last 2 minutes of the game

 

[sepanol]

I for one think Harris could definitely fit well in this team. Do you guys not remember how many clutch 3s he hit in the last 10-15 games of the season??? We lost a lot of close games near the end (Celitcs, Nuggets etc) of the season and Im surprised a lot of you forgot how often Harris kept us in those games with his 3point shots in the last 2 minutes of the game

clutch 3s? u mean when the game was over and his 3 pointer was just a nonsense long range throw to the rim?
We can find other guys to hit clutch 3s but harris first should learn how to handle the ball under pressure, i saw him turning the ball over many times in last 4-5 mins of the games.
And yes ure right he kept us in the game but unfortunately he can win no game with those 3s

 

[Deleted member 848]

clutch 3s? u mean when the game was over and his 3 pointer was just a nonsense long range throw to the rim?
We can find other guys to hit clutch 3s but harris first should learn how to handle the ball under pressure, i saw him turning the ball over many times in last 4-5 mins of the games.
And yes ure right he kept us in the game but unfortunately he can win no game with those 3s

a) the second and last sentence of your post completely contradict eachother; please look back at some highlight reels from last season if you do not know what I speak of.
b) Given that the Jazz offense is extremely system-based, and there isnt a lot of room for improvisation and not a lot of focus on isos it is simply unfair to sign a PG after the allstar break and expect him to know the system extremely well and turn it over at a very low rate while trying to facilitate your teammates using this newly-learned system. In other words, give the guy a break, see if he turns it over nearly as much in a scenario where he has ample time to mesh with the team.
c) Who else on our team can hit a clutch 3? And its hard to win games when your 2/3 starting wing combination is one of the most offensively inept duos in the NBA, even if you hit clutch threes. Lest we forget AK missing a layup against Denver...

 

[Deleted member 848]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2AhyvVKaAw

Note the clutch three in the defenders face, and andrei's epic fail.

 

[LogGrad98]

In AK's defense, Martin did hit the ball as he went up with it. And AK started moving before he actually had the ball firmly in his hands. Unfortunate for sure. I have seen AK make far worse plays than that.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Ahhh yes the Martin hitting the ball while AK tries to go up for a shot while standing out of bounds play. To bad AK wasn't dumb enough to NOT take the ball when Martin pass faked himself into a TO, stupid AK should've just let Martin make the in bound pass so DNV could just run out the clock. If you wanted to pick a game that AK helped cos the game you should've chose the MIA game from 2yrs ago when he and Millsap miss-managed the clock and snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.

I agree though that Harris (if he can stay healthy) is a good PG that gets way to much grief on this board and I would like to see him get a real chance and play a full season with a system and gel with his teammates. Honestly health is the biggest question mark I have with Harris but then DWill had his wrist last season and we'll have to see how or if it continues throughout his career.

 

[sepanol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2AhyvVKaAw

Note the clutch three in the defenders face, and andrei's epic fail.

I remember this game very well and do you want me to believe Harris is a good clutch shooter because of this? We are 5 points behind 5 seconds left and he has nothing to lose so no pressure on. It is just a miracle that we got the chance and AK couldnt use it.

He should have made the 3 pointer when we are 3 points behind 5 seconds left and he makes the equaliser. There is a big difference between two.

I remember harris making last second 3 from the half court as well in new jersey but its just another miraclous shot taken without balance. The thing makes a good clutch shooter is taking the right shot in the right time without any help of divine powers.

I exactly think harris isnt a good pg for us because as you told our offense is based on system and he is not one of these guys who would run a system based offense. He just dribbles past opponents and goes to the rim or find a teammate under the rim. He is not a playmaker. He would do ok in maybe new york, gsw or phoenix but not in utah. Not worth 9 per yr at all.

 

[Brown Notes]

The clock expires before the ball is out of AKs hands anyways. No shot. Really a great display of quick hands by Martin after he completely choked that inbound.

Also Harris is very good, the only problem with him is that he misses tons of games. I think he's been really close to AK in that regard over the last 5 years or so. There is not much basis for the hate his game gets around here.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Dumberica ↑


3P% 10'-11'
Kidd - .340
Harris - .357

FG% 10'-11'
Kidd - .361
Harris - .413

Now time the **** out. You're going to try to make a point that Harris is just fine as our PG of the future by showing that he shot 41% from the field AS A RIM-CRASHER? My point isn't solely that Kidd is better because he can hit a three (and while 34% in the REGULAR season isn't great, he did it on 5 attempts per game and his percentages went up to 37% in the postseason, this following consecutive 40%+ seasons, a feat that Harris still hasn't accomplished). My point isn't even necessarily that Kidd is better right now, but the contexts are vastly different. If the Mavericks are relying on Kidd to do anything more than be a savvy as hell complimentary player they wouldn't have done anything. The Jazz don't have a Dirk or a Dirk-in-waiting (sorry Turks) or the ability to run an annual payroll into the stars. Finally, if we're having to compare a 40-year old to a guy in his prime, the guy in his prime isn't that good.

The point is that Harris isn't a reliable threat from 3 and most players don't suddenly turn that on after 29 years old (Harris will be that or nearly that by the time games are being played again). He's welcome to shut me up, I'd be stoked. I just see Harris as a dead-end option for this team (or any team bereft of shooting threats and rebuilding).

 

[blacksalad]

we have harris, why are we complaining again? its not like he's a bad pg. He's no deron, but wait, why are we complaining? we're complaining about a position that isn't our biggest need?

er... what?

 

[davidbenoit]

we have harris, why are we complaining again? its not like he's a bad pg. He's no deron, but wait, why are we complaining? we're complaining about a position that isn't our biggest need?

er... what?

I think it's the "seeing John Stockton play for years and then getting Deron Williams right after Stockton retires syndrome."

 

[sepanol]

Now time the **** out. You're going to try to make a point that Harris is just fine as our PG of the future by showing that he shot 41% from the field AS A RIM-CRASHER? My point isn't solely that Kidd is better because he can hit a three (and while 34% in the REGULAR season isn't great, he did it on 5 attempts per game and his percentages went up to 37% in the postseason, this following consecutive 40%+ seasons, a feat that Harris still hasn't accomplished). My point isn't even necessarily that Kidd is better right now, but the contexts are vastly different. If the Mavericks are relying on Kidd to do anything more than be a savvy as hell complimentary player they wouldn't have done anything. The Jazz don't have a Dirk or a Dirk-in-waiting (sorry Turks) or the ability to run an annual payroll into the stars. Finally, if we're having to compare a 40-year old to a guy in his prime, the guy in his prime isn't that good.

The point is that Harris isn't a reliable threat from 3 and most players don't suddenly turn that on after 29 years old (Harris will be that or nearly that by the time games are being played again). He's welcome to shut me up, I'd be stoked. I just see Harris as a dead-end option for this team (or any team bereft of shooting threats and rebuilding).

I agree about most part. Also about the Dirk in waiting too, because we have a Mailman in waiting.
Anyway i think i would be fine if harris gets 5-6 million a year, but honestly 9 million p/yr is too much for him. He wont be any better anymore. He had his best season in new jersey when he became an allstar but he couldnt even carry them to the playoffs together with carter. Thats the best he can do. He cant be in our future plans by any means, it is more logical to find a young pg to team up with hayward favors and kanter. I would be fine if we still had Maynor.