exum is older by a few months but i don't see how this is relevant.
Grayson Allen 2nd Season
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exum is older by a few months but i don't see how this is relevant.
This again. Allen put up a 7.5 PER his rookie season. Here is a list of every single rookie season between 7.0 and 8.0 PER. 226 players and the only non-busts here are Draymond and Zach Collins? Maybe you can find some more in there, I got tired of looking.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...al=7&c2stat=per&c2comp=lt&c2val=8&order_by=ws
Joncolton
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Steve Nash averaged 3.3 ppg his rookie season.
John Stockton averaged 5.6 ppg his rookie year and 7.7 his sophmore year.
Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 ppg his rookie season.
Those would be better comparisons, as they were playing behind very good players their rookie season alla Grayson Allen.
Well it’s relevant re their timelines to improve and current skill sets.
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It's deja vu all over again!
Greasy84
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On a semi-relevant note, does anyone remember the tv commercial with John Stockton and Frank Layden where Stockton played the piano? It was for some bank. Anyway, while John is playing a song, Frank says something like "I knew that kid had talent". I think it was still airing at the beginning of Stockton's 3rd season. He was backing up Ricky Green. He must have been 24 or 25. I just remember thinking it's a good thing he has other talents because after this much time (he still couldn't shoot) this is probably all he's going to be as an NBA player.
All three put up better efficiency numbers than Allen. Nash and Stockton were significantly better. Maybe Grayson will get it turned around next season, but it's not looking good. RXum part 2.
Hotdog
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Lmao.
Talking about efficiency numbers on 2.6 ppg or 3.3 ppg.
How can you not see how those numbers could be easily skewed?
PER based on they
PER based on their season stats. Stockton played 1500 minutes his rookie season. Anyway, if the stats were so "skewed" like you say, then the list I sent you would have a lot of good players on it... It doesn't.
PER based on their season stats. Stockton played 1500 minutes his rookie season. Anyway, if the stats were so "skewed" like you say, then the list I sent you would have a lot of good players on it... It doesn't.
latin jazz
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Correlation doesn't mean causation. You shouldn't draw conclusions or an statistical finding because "x" number of players don't appear on a list based on a criteria selected by you. In that sense: I) why PER? a ii)Why a range of 7-8 III)has it been determined that PER is a reliable measurement for future rookie success? Iv) same for efficiency, Is it a good criteria? Is PER the best measurement for it? V) is the data on rookies reliable? Are you cleaning the data by ensuring you only have rookies that have a minimum number of minutes or field goals attempted (especially if you decide PER is the variable to use) vi) even then, data might be skewed bc of when those minutes/attempts happened.
Anyway, appreciate you are trying to bring numbers to back up your claim. But it's not so easy to draw a firm conclusion when your criteria/numbers might be flawed.
Game6Conley
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I am gonna eat some crow. He wasnt as bad as I thought. I think he's gonna end up a decent - to - good pick.
Utah needs him IMO, they cant do this gimmicky bs offense again, even if its mismatched they need to throw the full firepower out there.
I still definitely woulda taken Anfernee Simons tho, he can function in a similar capacity, and he is much more ready than ppl realize. Both of these guys showd nice flashes down the final stretch of the szn.
Utah needs him IMO, they cant do this gimmicky bs offense again, even if its mismatched they need to throw the full firepower out there.
I still definitely woulda taken Anfernee Simons tho, he can function in a similar capacity, and he is much more ready than ppl realize. Both of these guys showd nice flashes down the final stretch of the szn.