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The tipping point

Rubashov

Rubashov

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Is the Conley deal the tipping point? All these various rumours about free agents and french girls, is there an element of substance to them due to the Conley trade?

I'm as keen as the next man to dismiss them as nonsense but maybe a tipping point has been reached? Just maybe...
 
I think yes, perhaps. And isn’t this what often happens? Bish and Lebum join Wade in Miami and then Ray Allen joins...at a discounted price too. Heck, Hayward joining the Celts is a good example.
 
Also, doing it now rather than at the deadline seems much better and therefore smarter because:
1) We didn’t have to trade Exum or Favors
2) This moment is exciting to us and potential free agents. How exciting would it have been now after having lost in the first round the Rox? Not very.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Also, doing it now rather than at the deadline seems much better and therefore smarter because:
1) We didn’t have to trade Exum or Favors
2) This moment is exciting to us and potential free agents. How exciting would it have been now after having lost in the first round the Rox? Not very.
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From 15,000 kilometers away it's hard to tell if the excitement, the buzz, the gee wizz, the sure **** off of it is for real. Maybe it is? The cynic in me says i'm a fool but the fan in me says maybe...
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Also, doing it now rather than at the deadline seems much better and therefore smarter because:
1) We didn’t have to trade Exum or Favors
2) This moment is exciting to us and potential free agents. How exciting would it have been now after having lost in the first round the Rox? Not very.
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1) Why exactly is that good?
2) Why do you assume the outcome of the season would be the same if you believe Conley makes us much better?

The way this trade played out was extremely messy and frankly not good besides that we now have Conley (who might have come at the expense of Tobias, and did come at the expense of Jae, two 1sts [one of those that could actually be quite valuable], Korver/his stretchable deal, Allen, and the potential for still being able to trade for Conley later).
 
Chandler was widely noted to be the biggest reason they Mavs won it all. Obviously the play of Dirk and all but everyone raved about TC and said there is no way they would’ve won it all without him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
1) Why exactly is that good?
2) Why do you assume the outcome of the season would be the same if you believe Conley makes us much better?

The way this trade played out was extremely messy and frankly not good besides that we now have Conley (who might have come at the expense of Tobias, and did come at the expense of Jae, two 1sts [one of those that could actually be quite valuable], Korver/his stretchable deal, Allen, and the potential for still being able to trade for Conley later).
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1) Crowder has little asset value to teams imo. Maybe a super late 1st. Favors and Exum have more. Crowder and what he brought is also very replaceable. Favors and Exum, on the rare occasion he’s not ded, are more unique.
2) Our seed would’ve been the same imo. We finished so hot anyway that we probably still would’ve been the 5 (or 4) seed and given how amazing the Rox were the last 3-4 months, and how we didn’t match up well with them, I think we would’ve lost.
 
I also think you’re really reaching about the deal being messy and that those assets were valuable.

Allen is nothing. Korver is 38 y/o and couldn’t even play in the playoffs and like I said, Crowder is replaceable. His good contract probably hurt the most.

The 23rd pick is nothing special. And the other 1st may likely turn into 2nds so who cares. To me, we gave up very little.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I also think you’re really reaching about the deal being messy and that those assets were valuable.

Allen is nothing. Korver is 38 y/o and couldn’t even play in the playoffs and like I said, Crowder is replaceable. His good contract probably hurt the most.

The 23rd pick is nothing special. And the other 1st may likely turn into 2nds so who cares. To me, we gave up very little.
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You don’t know what the 23rd pick would’ve turned out to be, nor Allen for that matter.

The second pick is likely to be a good asset. Have you seen the protections on it? For starters, it would very complicated to trade a pick for something else at this point, but the pick is designed to convey in 2022 which is when the double draft is expected to occur and is also out enough that the Jazz could be in a retooling phase anyway. That is why Memphis did it.

Jae Crowder is a solid rotation player, central to our culture, and was part of our best lineups.

Korver was injured, and even as just a contract was worth having around if just to stretch.

It wasn’t any one thing, though, it was ALL of those things. Memphis didn’t give us Conley for nothing. If those assets were enough to trade for him, what else could they have been used for?

The way it played out WAS extremely messy. We lost Rubio psychologically for the homestretch of games and we still couldn’t field a known, best 5-Man unit (lineups are always contingent on contextual stuff because our roster has been dumb). It was all played very poorly.

Lastly, Dante Exum is bad at basketball and the Jazz are better when he is injured.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
1) Why exactly is that good?
2) Why do you assume the outcome of the season would be the same if you believe Conley makes us much better?

The way this trade played out was extremely messy and frankly not good besides that we now have Conley (who might have come at the expense of Tobias, and did come at the expense of Jae, two 1sts [one of those that could actually be quite valuable], Korver/his stretchable deal, Allen, and the potential for still being able to trade for Conley later).
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This plus we would have the ability to operate over the cap and use full MLE and BAE to add to the roster. We also may have had a significantly different playoff experience.

For my sanity I refuse to believe that Exum was the sticking point. Had the trade been Ricky Exum and two firsts that would have been much better... might have had to add Thabo or Bradley to match salaries. Retaining Crowder and having our exceptions or the ability to drop below the cap would have been great.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Laugh but those would be great signings imo. If we get them at the 2.4M vet minimum.
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I’m not laughing at all. I’d take both those guys. I’ve wanted Chandler for a while to backup Gobert.
 
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