Simmons fix for players salaries
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Chad Feldheimer
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Are fans all the sudden going to say "Eff the AllStar game, I didn't get to vote for those guys. Im not watching."
Seriously.
And motive takes first place. Someone from China is always going to have a chance to START an ASG, and anyone from a major market automatically has a huge leg up on anyone else.
I just want my NBA season.
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Wouldn't there have to be fans watching the AS game before they could stop watching the AS game.
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Bill Simmons apparently forgot that guys like Shaq and Ming used to get voted to the all star games irrespective of whether they even played that season or not.
As if the all star voting is'nt skewed enough already, now you want to throw in the salary factor as well and make it even more messy.
As if the all star voting is'nt skewed enough already, now you want to throw in the salary factor as well and make it even more messy.
A few thoughts:
An interesting exercise for someone to do would be to project what each team's salary structure would look like under the proposal. I suspect this would have some unintended consequences that Simmons hasn't thought through.
For example: The Miami Heat:
Lebron: $17 million (Franchise bracket)
Wade: $17 million (Franchise bracket) - This is just the cap figure, his real number would be something like $21.5 million.
Bosh: $17 million (Franchise bracket)
That's $51 million right there. With Simmons' proposed $52 milllion hard cap the Miami Big Three functionally have to be liquidated because you can't get 9 more players for $1 million. Given that Simmons has previously written that "The Decison" was good for interest in the league I'm not certain this is something he actually wants to do.
Another issue is that this probably magnifies the advantages of teams in tax free states like Florida and Texas in attracting players when they will get the same amount of money no matter what team they play for.
To pick some more nits: This makes which team drafts you significantly more important which may lead to more players trying to game the draft to get to a specific location or more Steve Francis/Kobe Bryant team picking situations.
Finally, in combination with his loyalty bonus program this section is a really bad idea:
You have now made any "problem" Franchise player untradeable. An example: Latrell Spreewell. Spree made the 1994, 1995, and 1997 All-Star teams. He would be a franchise player for the 1997-1998 season under the rubric. In December of that season he chokes PJ Carlesimo. If GS trades him, Spree loses $2.5 million in "loyalty bonuses" for the season, $3 million in bonuses the next year etc. Three years on his contract remaining we're talking $9 million in loyalty pay for Spree, this equates to more than half a season's worth of his Franchise player pay. He has the right to refuse any trades. Golden State is now stuck with Spree after he choked his coach.
This has also given every player who wants to leave his team the ultimate negotiating leverage in terms of trade terms. There is no way that the Nuggets would have gotten as much as they got for Carmelo if the Nets aren't even allowed to enter the bidding due to the no trade clause. No automatic NTCs; make them individually negotiated.
An interesting exercise for someone to do would be to project what each team's salary structure would look like under the proposal. I suspect this would have some unintended consequences that Simmons hasn't thought through.
For example: The Miami Heat:
Lebron: $17 million (Franchise bracket)
Wade: $17 million (Franchise bracket) - This is just the cap figure, his real number would be something like $21.5 million.
Bosh: $17 million (Franchise bracket)
That's $51 million right there. With Simmons' proposed $52 milllion hard cap the Miami Big Three functionally have to be liquidated because you can't get 9 more players for $1 million. Given that Simmons has previously written that "The Decison" was good for interest in the league I'm not certain this is something he actually wants to do.
Another issue is that this probably magnifies the advantages of teams in tax free states like Florida and Texas in attracting players when they will get the same amount of money no matter what team they play for.
To pick some more nits: This makes which team drafts you significantly more important which may lead to more players trying to game the draft to get to a specific location or more Steve Francis/Kobe Bryant team picking situations.
Finally, in combination with his loyalty bonus program this section is a really bad idea:
You have now made any "problem" Franchise player untradeable. An example: Latrell Spreewell. Spree made the 1994, 1995, and 1997 All-Star teams. He would be a franchise player for the 1997-1998 season under the rubric. In December of that season he chokes PJ Carlesimo. If GS trades him, Spree loses $2.5 million in "loyalty bonuses" for the season, $3 million in bonuses the next year etc. Three years on his contract remaining we're talking $9 million in loyalty pay for Spree, this equates to more than half a season's worth of his Franchise player pay. He has the right to refuse any trades. Golden State is now stuck with Spree after he choked his coach.
This has also given every player who wants to leave his team the ultimate negotiating leverage in terms of trade terms. There is no way that the Nuggets would have gotten as much as they got for Carmelo if the Nets aren't even allowed to enter the bidding due to the no trade clause. No automatic NTCs; make them individually negotiated.
Chad Feldheimer
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You mean like the 100,000+ that attended the AllStar game in Dallas in 2010?
May be you missed Footnote 15:
I agree with you though that it would have to be done by media and coaches. May be a 50/50 split in weighting.
Yes, but there is still that hard cap...
There's only so much salaries these teams can take on before saying "sorry - we're closed for business weather you want to play for us or not".
I don't think it's any secret that a hard cap system would mean that the Miami's Big 3 would have to be broken up somehow... Basically one of them would have to leave the team.
Any why again would that be bad for the league?
Especially for a small market team like the Jazz?
Oh, and one more thing. This Simmons' fix actually will put teams into situation when you DON'T WANT your players to be voted All Star or All NBA. What happens if your couple of players get voted All Star in their contract final year? Does it effectively mean that league voted for them to leave your team because it's unfeasible to stay under the cap and still re-sign your players.
Who knows how this may turn out - coaches benching their stars for no obvious reason? Players blaming coaches for not calling plays for them to deflate their All Star chances?
His fix is as flawed as the current system is.
Who knows how this may turn out - coaches benching their stars for no obvious reason? Players blaming coaches for not calling plays for them to deflate their All Star chances?
His fix is as flawed as the current system is.