Heathme
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What do you guys believe is so authoritarian about Pres. Trump?
Here is a simple list of the executive orders given by the last 4 presidents. That would probably be a good indicator of a president possibly abusing his powers, no? Please read his executive orders before you spout off that he's on pace to do 400 executive orders or something stupid like that. They are NOT the executive orders of an authoritarian.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/
# President Total Executive Orders
42 Bill Clinton 364
43 George W. Bush 291
44 Barack Obama 276
45 Donald Trump 117
Heathme
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Good article on what Trump actually said in his tweets
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/07/16/wapo-desperate-nation-cries-barack-obama/
Zombie
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I think we can just read the tweets for ourselves thanks.
Heathme
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https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/07/16/wapo-desperate-nation-cries-barack-obama/
"I would first note that I’ve been learning an incredible amount during Trump’s presidency about exactly what is or isn’t racist in the modern world, including things I’d never imagined. (Was anyone else unaware that the finger and thumb “okay” sign so many of us grew up using was a symbol of white supremacy or something?) In this case, the charge of racism is being applied to Trump’s tweets. We should note that “tweets” is plural because there were more than one.
I’ll be the first to say that the comments were definitely on the unpleasant side, but then again I’ve been following the President on social media for quite a while now and I suppose I just don’t notice it as much. But was it racist? If the question had simply been ‘why don’t you go back where you came from‘ one could probably make that argument. I say “probably” because both Italian and Irish immigrants (the latter being arguably among the whitest of white people) heard those same words ringing in their ears for a long time. So perhaps xenophobic would be a better choice than “racist,” but your mileage may vary. Telling someone to “go home” (when their perceived home is not in this country) is clearly a signal that you don’t belong here, aren’t wanted, etc. It’s not a nice thing to say.
But, of course, that wasn’t what the President tweeted. What he actually wrote was, ‘Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.’ That was still no bouquet of flowers, but if you’re going to be honest in your criticism it’s worth pointing out that suggesting someone “go back… then come back and show us…” implies a visit abroad, not an expulsion. At least that’s the interpretation of some of the President’s advisers and defenders. It was still rather barbed and confrontational, but that’s pretty much Trump 24/7. We’re all just trying to read his mind at this point, but the shortened versions of his tweets I’m seeing in the press are, at a minimum, not the full story. That’s not good coverage."
"I would first note that I’ve been learning an incredible amount during Trump’s presidency about exactly what is or isn’t racist in the modern world, including things I’d never imagined. (Was anyone else unaware that the finger and thumb “okay” sign so many of us grew up using was a symbol of white supremacy or something?) In this case, the charge of racism is being applied to Trump’s tweets. We should note that “tweets” is plural because there were more than one.
I’ll be the first to say that the comments were definitely on the unpleasant side, but then again I’ve been following the President on social media for quite a while now and I suppose I just don’t notice it as much. But was it racist? If the question had simply been ‘why don’t you go back where you came from‘ one could probably make that argument. I say “probably” because both Italian and Irish immigrants (the latter being arguably among the whitest of white people) heard those same words ringing in their ears for a long time. So perhaps xenophobic would be a better choice than “racist,” but your mileage may vary. Telling someone to “go home” (when their perceived home is not in this country) is clearly a signal that you don’t belong here, aren’t wanted, etc. It’s not a nice thing to say.
But, of course, that wasn’t what the President tweeted. What he actually wrote was, ‘Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.’ That was still no bouquet of flowers, but if you’re going to be honest in your criticism it’s worth pointing out that suggesting someone “go back… then come back and show us…” implies a visit abroad, not an expulsion. At least that’s the interpretation of some of the President’s advisers and defenders. It was still rather barbed and confrontational, but that’s pretty much Trump 24/7. We’re all just trying to read his mind at this point, but the shortened versions of his tweets I’m seeing in the press are, at a minimum, not the full story. That’s not good coverage."
Zombie
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What's missing in that "analysis" is of course that the women targeted in the tweets were all born in America except for one, they just happen to not be white.
Telling minorities (again most of them born here) to "go back where they came from" and then describing their countries of origin as "totally broken and crime infested" is obviously racist, regardless of whatever weak defense the aptly named hot air tries to mount.
Posting the whole thing he tweeted doesn't make it better. In fact, it makes it worse than the summary "go back where you came from."
How in the **** would three of those women go back to places they actually don't come from?
And being critical of the U.S. on specific issues is exactly what all of our legislators should be doing. How do we make this nation better if we're not identifying the things we hope to improve? The whole "love it or leave it" thing is pure garbage.
Those women don't hate America, they want to improve America. That's love.
D
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What if they were all foreign born? Would that make their concerns any less legitimate? Would it make them a “lesser congresswoman?” Would it make them “less American?”
To me this reminds me of the xenophobic attacks that the right launched against Obama claiming that he was Muslim. And so what if he was? Would that make him a lesser president? Does the electoral college only work for Christian presidents? How about Jewish presidents? Buddhists presidents?
The sooner we all recognize Trump’s racist attacks, the better.
It really doesn’t matter where these women were born.
They pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and rose in their communities to become successful representatives of their House Districts. They are the fulfillment of the American dream. Shouldn’t conservatives be celebrating them?
They’re not rapists (that’s Trump, Roy Moore, Tim Hastert, Epstein, David Folley, etc)
To me this reminds me of the xenophobic attacks that the right launched against Obama claiming that he was Muslim. And so what if he was? Would that make him a lesser president? Does the electoral college only work for Christian presidents? How about Jewish presidents? Buddhists presidents?
The sooner we all recognize Trump’s racist attacks, the better.
It really doesn’t matter where these women were born.
They pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and rose in their communities to become successful representatives of their House Districts. They are the fulfillment of the American dream. Shouldn’t conservatives be celebrating them?
They’re not rapists (that’s Trump, Roy Moore, Tim Hastert, Epstein, David Folley, etc)
D
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Conservatives in the Reichstag and more recently, the Duma and Grand National Assembly would’ve agreed with you too. How’d that work out?
The problem with your thinking is that you’re assuming that the party that controls the senate and is being enriched by the authoritarian would put partisanship aside and vote against their own party’s most prominent leader and side with the opposing party. If you think that Mitch and the boys would ever do that, then I have cheap property in Wyoming to sell ya.
Zombie
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Don't you god damn dare.
Miggs
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Well he’s certainly on pace to blow Obama and W away.
D
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Great post.
Also, are conservatives really so blind to their own hypocrisy? They’re freaking out over criticism about our own country? Who bitched nonstop for 2 years about how the country had gone all to hell and needed to be “made great again?” Who bitches about the country every morning while taking a dump? “The Dems! Angry Women! The fake news! The NY Times! The elitists! The college professors! The FBI! The CIA! The generals! The big tech firms! The deep state! Bla Bla Bla!
The real issue isn’t bitching about the country. The issue is WHO can bitch about the country. A black female to Trump, cannot criticize the country.
Racism 101. We’ve seen This before. remember lebron? “Shut up and dribble!”