Trump’s Dividing of America

[silesian]

Third of Dems Say It’s Racist For White People To Criticize Non-White Politicians

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/third-dems-say-its-racist-white-people-criticize-non-white-politicians

That makes for great discussion...

A lie. Here is the actual question from the poll, directly from Rasmussen’s web site: “2* Is it racist for a white politician to criticize the political views of a politician of color?”

Why do trump followers just lie constantly?

Changing “white politician” to “white people” can be nothing other than a deliberate lie designed to meet trump’s racist agenda.

 

[silesian]

A lie. Here is the actual question from the poll, directly from Rasmussen’s web site: “2* Is it racist for a white politician to criticize the political views of a politician of color?”

Why do trump followers just lie constantly?

Changing “white politician” to “white people” can be nothing other than a deliberate lie designed to meet trump’s racist agenda.

Of course the notion that a person of any race is beyond criticism is dumb. But context matters and of course these answers were tainted by recency bias of trump’s racist comments about 4 POC congresswomen.

 

[Red]

Again, Obama divided this country, and Trump is bringing you anti-Americans out into the open. Back the ones against Ice and that hang our flag upside down.

This is a reflection of the "love it or leave it" meme, so prevalent during the Vietnam War years. The truth then, and the truth now, is that the movements criticizing American policy did so because they felt/feel we were/are better then this. In the Vietnam era, the anti-war movement was dismayed that we had gotten into a war predicated on a "domino theory" of the spread of communism, dismayed at the loss of thousands of American lives. The people who were part of the anti-war movement decades ago cared about their country, cared about its direction, wanted an end to all the senseless deaths.

Today's anti-Trump movement is also comprised of citizens concerned with the direction of their country, dismayed by a president who is intent on promulgating anti-American attitudes and policies. Dissent is as American as the proverbial apple pie. Identifying dissenters as anti-American is itself embracing an anti-American attitude. Further, embracing the attitude that America=Trump lays the groundwork for approving uncritically anything he says and does. It already grants the man absolute power in the "rightness" of his response to critics. It approves of a social and political order in which dissent is branded the product of the "enemies of America". And, in so doing, it misses the point of the meaning of this 240 year old experiment completely.

 

[Red]

Trump is un American.

History will make this clear and illustrate how the right wing lost its mind due to fear of losing white male power. Mark my words.

I certainly hope this will be History's judgement. We're at a fork in the road in facing a choice of who we are, and who we want to be. It can go either way at this moment. 4 more years of Trump may make his authoritarian nationalist tendencies now, seem like only the preface to what he is capable of, only the preface to anger, hatred, and racism as the face of our national character. It will not be easy beating back the dark id he has elevated to such a degree. But, I would rather cast my lot with the belief that the truth will out, and that there remains still an innate goodness within the American people. We shall overcome.

 

[Stoked]

A lie. Here is the actual question from the poll, directly from Rasmussen’s web site: “2* Is it racist for a white politician to criticize the political views of a politician of color?”

Why do trump followers just lie constantly?

Changing “white politician” to “white people” can be nothing other than a deliberate lie designed to meet trump’s racist agenda.

Even with your correction it’s still ****ing stupid though.

 

[silesian]

Even with your correction it’s still ****ing stupid though.

Yep. Did you read my other post?

 

[silesian]

I certainly hope this will be History's judgement. We're at a fork in the road in facing a choice of who we are, and who we want to be. It can go either way at this moment. 4 more years of Trump may make his authoritarian nationalist tendencies now, seem like only the preface to what he is capable of, only the preface to anger, hatred, and racism as the face of our national character. It will not be easy beating back the dark id he has elevated to such a degree. But, I would rather cast my lot with the belief that the truth will out, and that there remains still an innate goodness within the American people. We shall overcome.

Yep. I believe in America. We are strong enough to overcome this embarrassment. Remember McCarthy?

 

[silesian]

Question to everyone arguing that economic benefits overpower bigotry and immorality. Given the hypothetical choice between (a) policies that highly favor your personal prosperity and David Duke Presidency; and (b) Barack Obama, who would you vote for?

 

[Stoked]

Yep. Did you read my other post?

I’ll have to go look for it

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yep. I believe in America. We are strong enough to overcome this embarrassment. Remember McCarthy?

I think it’s different than McCarthy for two reasons:

* McCarthy wasn’t President, he was a senator from Wisconsin.

* Fox News didn’t exist back in 53.

I think this current Republican brand of Fascism (and that’s what this clearly is. Don’t beat around this bush calling this nationalism or white supremacy. It’s Fascism) is particularly threatening. Not sure we’ve seen anything like this.

I’m not as optimistic. I see trump being very competitive due to the alt reality that Fox News has created, the weak Democratic candidates fighting for the nomination and the Electoral College.

The EC might be one of his greatest advantages (other than Fox News). As long as he keeps those homogeneous midwestern states in play, he’s going to be competitive no matter how much the rest of the population despises him.

 

[Red]

Remember McCarthy?

 

[Stoked]

I think it’s different than McCarthy for two reasons:

* McCarthy wasn’t President, he was a senator from Wisconsin.

* Fox News didn’t exist back in 53.

I think this current Republican brand of Fascism (and that’s what this clearly is. Don’t beat around this bush calling this nationalism or white supremacy. It’s Fascism) is particularly threatening. Not sure we’ve seen anything like this.

I’m not as optimistic. I see trump being very competitive due to the alt reality that Fox News has created, the weak Democratic candidates fighting for the nomination and the Electoral College.

The EC might be one of his greatest advantages (other than Fox News). As long as he keeps those homogeneous midwestern states in play, he’s going to be competitive no matter how much the rest of the population despises him.

Let’s say he wins (Jesus help us...). America is strong enough to recover.