No, I live in a world where phrases like "in any other Western democracy" are intended to alter the meaning of a sentence. Can you lest a non-US Western democracy where Biden would not be on the right, politically?
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No, I live in a world where phrases like "in any other Western democracy" are intended to alter the meaning of a sentence. Can you lest a non-US Western democracy where Biden would not be on the right, politically?
Joe Bagadonuts
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Nice try. You said that Klobochar was right leaning. She voted with Sanders 87% of the time in the Senate. Harris voted with Sanders 93% of the time. That's "practically right leaning in any other Western democracy"? I advise that you grab onto a tree or something solid because your world is apparently tipping over to the left. Do you consider Sanders to be right leaning as well?
How stupid do you think I am? Do you think I don't know the difference between Senate votes and policy positions? Do you think I'm not aware that the former can only represent votes on what comes through the McConnell Senate, and the a 13% difference in that context is fairly big? Do you think I'm that sort of numbskull?
Joe Bagadonuts
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Do you think I cannot compare these candidates to an actual moderate Democrat like Joe Manchin and discover that Klobuchar voted with him 52% of the time and Harris voted with him 59% of the time. If you want to call yourself stupid then by all means, be my guest.
The Democrat representing West Virginia is the moderate?
I don't know what you are capable of. When it comes to comparing candidates policy positions, you certainly are a failure.
I notice you didn't even try to find another Western democracy where Biden's position would not put in in the right-wing groups. You silence there was deafening.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I never said anything about where Biden would fall on a spectrum of any other government. Just because you assign me homework doesn't mean that I have to do it. It has absolutely nothing to do with my point.
The conversation was entirely about your claims regarding Harris and Klobuchar.
Lastly, if Manchin is not a moderate, what do you think he is? Virtually everyone (but you) calls him a moderate.
He deserved all of it.
My moral superiority is well intact.
I'm not a good person. I'm a great person.
You, on the other hand... well, you kind of suck as a person.
You mean, your point of trying to obscure reality, rather than clarify it?
Harris and Klobuchar are moderate enough that they get support from various conservative never-Trumpers. In any other Western democracy, they would be right-leaning.
Manchin is a right-leaning Democrat, of the sort that were called Blue Dog Democrats a few years ago.
Hotdog
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Lmao.
You think you got an insincere apology over nothing really, and that equates to laughing about and being glad about someone's loved one's death.
Yet, Ive seen your fake moral superiority come out over murders getting the death penalty.
So murder someone and gameface will stick for you and fight for your life. Give an insincere apology related to nothing important, and the people just related to you deserve the death penalty.
Riiiiigght bro. Thats so consistent with being moral person.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I think it's clear that you and I live in very different realities because what you are saying doesn't resonate as true to me at all. Based on my understanding of the policies that Harris and Klobuchar support I would not consider them moderate and would not vote for them. To me both are well to the left of Obama, and I don't consider Obama moderate. I have a feeling that when it came time to vote, regardless of what people are saying now, a large percentage of Americans would fall into the same category that I do. If the most important thing to the Democrats is beating Trump then their best shot would be to support what you prefer to call a right leaning Democrat, which is exactly how I would define a moderate Democrat (just as, IMO, a left leaning Republican is a moderate Republican).
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So you've never understood anything I've said about my opposition to the death penalty? Figures. You're not very good at understanding things.
I'm good with that. While I don't mind going over the basis for my beliefs with those inclined to discuss them seriously (as you do from time to time), I don't expect everyone to adopt them. Humans are controlled by our feelings, and we rationalize the world around us to fit into them, most of the time.
Obama's signature policy, the ACA, was one of the most moderate and corporatist ways to get more people health care. If you think of our former deporter-in-chief as anything other than the usual moderate, corporate-owned, PWPBP Democrat, your vision is skewed heavily.
So, why to you think Harris/Klobuchar are to the left of Obama? What are their specific policy proposals that put them there?
The difference between a moderate Democrat and a right-leaning Democrat would be things like de-empahsizing climate science, sexual harrassment, and not supporting the ACA. When I say Manchin is a right-leaning Democrat, I meant that he's further to the right than a moderate Republican (and he is, on many issues).
Hotdog
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Nah. I think I remember pretty well what your opposition is. I expressed my view that Im for the death penalty for cold blooded murderers. You proceeded to call out my morality, call me disgusting, scoff at me for holding such a view, etc... I remember pretty well you having a problem with killing a murderer.
I am just pointing out the contradiction in your beliefs. You find it appalling to give the death penalty to a murderer, but think its a really good thing for someone's innocent loved ones to be dead. (over an apology no less)
Either be that guy who is completely inconsiderate of other people, or be that SJW you pretend to be. But dont be both. They dont go together.
You certainly dont get to claim any moral authority over me or anyone here ever again. You have proven who you really are with those horrible things you said. No good person wishes death on innocent people.
It’s almost like you’re describing a person that can see nuance. Someone who can see not all scenarios are similar and as such shouldn’t have the same response.
I absolutely never did what you describe in your first line.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a murderer being killed, don't feel sorry for them, don't think it's an immoral punishment. I also never called out your morality for supporting the death penalty. If you can show otherwise please do, otherwise this is about the third time in the last couple weeks where you have SIGNIFICANTLY misrepresented things I've said.
So in short, you have no idea why I oppose the death penalty.
And Jazzrule tried to use sympathy for his parents deaths as a weapon in an argument. I was tasteless and what I said was offensive, but what I did was throw that BS back in his face. You can continue to beat that subject against me like it's your ace in the hole, fair enough. But to use it to say things like I'm happy when police get shot, or that I called out your morality over the death penalty, you're a liar.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Wishing death on someone's loved ones over a difference of opinion is a pretty twisted nuance.
One I called him out on. The first to do so I might add.
But posts don’t exist in a vacuum. I’ll put @Gameface history up against @NPC D4617 any day. Even with that despicable post.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Gameface has a history of posts like that. It was not a one-time thing.
Nothing else quite that bad. But he has lost his cool on occasion.
And I repeat, I’ll take his history over DNP or whatever his stupid name is 10/10