Devin getting a little bit of love

[Cope]

1. I don't think anyone said the 18 year old players were better, just could become better and would be good players to pick up if we can because we do need at least another backup PG.

I agree that is the the 8 year solution, probably not but just my opinion, we need a vet leader and Harris can be that. There is a problem when you put together a team and a few players don't stand out and become stars. I would rather have 2 main players and a few 'role' players like Harris than 5 players that all think they should be all stars

2. Age doesn't always dictate prime. Just because 28 is the prime years for most, doesn't mean Harris hasn't peaked yet.
In the NBA it is proven that NBA players peak around that age. Is it 'always' going to happen, no, but more times than not it means they understand the NBA game, they are mature, they want to WIN vs. get paid

3. Underrated shooter? Career 30% from 3, and has shot pretty bad from the field since being traded from Dallas. I guess if you have Numberica rating him he might be under rated.
If you are considering any stats, including his best year, on those NJ teams that is the problem. If that is the case give me a team of Jefferson, Kevin Loves, Kamans, ect. Numbers are numbers but on a bad team someone has to score. I feel his 3 Point shooting numbers while in New Jersey were a direct reflection of never having an inside presence and the ball ending up in his hand (Which isn't horrible) but having to force shots.

In Dallas his first 4 years, with minutes increasing every year, he shot about 47% from the field and his last year shot 35.7% from 3's . I believe there is no reason he can't get back to that percentage (Up from the 32.2% he shot last year) with knowing the offense and increase post presence. Let me run by you 'shooters' he shot better than from 3 point land - Durant (35.0%), James (33.0%), Wade (30.6%), Kobe (32.3%), Manu (34.9%).

What about other PG's since we are taking about a PG here?
Rose (33.3%), Westbrook (33.0%), Parker (35.7%), Kidd (34.0%)

4. If a potential top 10 PG is in next years draft why wouldn't we take him? We will most likely have at least one pick next year, so guess what? A 19-22 year old will most likely be added to the team, if not 2 of them. If we end up getting 2 mid-late lottery picks it would be dumb not to land one of the PG's.

First of all I cannot see us keeping both picks. That would be what 8 players that have 2 or less years experience. If that were to happen I can see us trading one of the kids that we have drafted already. PG could be an option but if we truely do have 2 lottery picks taking a PG when we have Harris vs. BPA is just not the right direction. Now if the BPA available is a PG I am all for it but would rather keep what Veteran leadership we actually have vs. being so young.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

First of all I cannot see us keeping both picks. That would be what 8 players that have 2 or less years experience. If that were to happen I can see us trading one of the kids that we have drafted already. PG could be an option but if we truely do have 2 lottery picks taking a PG when we have Harris vs. BPA is just not the right direction. Now if the BPA available is a PG I am all for it but would rather keep what Veteran leadership we actually have vs. being so young.

Just because we draft a PG doesn't mean we have to dump Harris right away. And what has Devin Harris lead any team to? Just because a player is a veteran, doesn't mean they provide veteran leadership by default.

 

[orangello]

Cool, thanks for clarifying. Based on what you outlined above, you'd likely covet Marshall most (at least at this point) out of the crop of '12 PG's. He's the least athletic, but is the most floor general'esque. I'd have a hard time deciding. As much as this board disagrees, I really like having an elite passing PG that can easily take his man off the dribble. Teague is less of a leader than Marshall (probably will always be a step behind) but I love that he is scouted to be FASTER than John Wall with his first step and lateral quickness .. that can really disrupt a defense. FORCE the other team to anticipate help defense and let the assists rack up. Maybe I'm a dreamer .. lol.

I do like Marshall but his shot absolutely scares me!!! I know that he is very young and that he could improve his shot but like i said, it scares me. Kabongo really intrigues me but I have not seen enough of him to have a good idea of what he can do as far as shooting goes. Out of the two, I feel like Kabongo is quicker off the dribble but his decision making seems a little suspect. Marshall seems to be a better decision maker but he is not going to blow by anyone off the dribble.

 

[HeavenHarris]

Captain Harris is great, on and off the court, the Jazz are lucky to have him.

 

[HeavenHarris]

Any ups on teams he's played for can be accounted for by natural ebb and flow of a team.

lol, what does that even mean? He didn't contribute to any success or positivity on any team he ever played on?
Ya, ok, hater. Harris has contributed greatly to every team he's ever played for before: Badgers, Mavs, and Nets.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Borderline creepy.

 

[MattMan]

Just because a player is a veteran, doesn't mean they provide veteran leadership by default.

I guess you could say the same about Bell, and it's a true statement. However, I think that Devon's time to shine as a leader is this next season. The Nets seem to be the team you're judging his leader ship skills on, because they didn't accomplish anything. It wouldn't matter who you throw on the Nets, they wouldn't accomplish anything either.

He'll have MUCH better talent around him now, so we'll know that once he has the help with time to prepare, can he lead?

Bottom line, you're not right or wrong.....yet.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

And that championship was won in what year?

After Magic's.

 

[NUMBERICA]

lol, what does that even mean? He didn't contribute to any success or positivity on any team he ever played on?
Ya, ok, hater. Harris has contributed greatly to every team he's ever played for before: Badgers, Mavs, and Nets.

Tell us more, HeavenHarris. You clearly don't have an underlying objective in even existing here.

Oh, and lol. For good measure.

 

[HeavenHarris]

Tell us more, HeavenHarris. You clearly don't have an underlying objective in even existing here.

Oh, and lol. For good measure.

coolstory, can i have another?

 

[billyshelby]

I didn't read this thread but generally I'm optimistic about Harris. What I don't like is he's kind of a head down driver. When he decides to go, he's going to shoot, and he'll only rack up a 5th of the vision passes Deron used to make. He also doesn't have anything close to Deron's arsenal of stop and pop, and his jumpshot is pretty mediocre.

On the good side, he's lightning fast, a willing passer, doesn't look like he's gunning for numbers, and has the right mentality. And to repudiate my point above, he's actually a pretty good driver from what I saw. He beats his man so he's always getting a solid shot up close, he's just not the world's greatest finisher. I think his defense is also going to emerge as a major plus.

On vision, he's not elite. But he's smart, he won't try to do too much, and he'll play to win which I like.

 

[NotDeadYet]

Under Sloan's guiding hand, PG was probably the most important position on the court, so we needed a really good one in order to be effective as a team. Coach Ty may well switch the emphasis elsewhere. The Lakers manage just fine with the ageless Derek Fisher, for instance, as did the Bulls with little John Paxson. Neither were/are nearly as productive as Devin Harris...