Hong Kong?
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gandalfe
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Protests over a bill that would have allowed extradition to mainland China, apparently.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-july-1-protests-intl-hnk/index.html
What do you think happens if the HK government responds with force and protesters die?
There'll be a counter protester to run someone over before the Government steps in.
Really though, I don't know. Who jumps in where and why? Any Hong Kong gumshoe wanna weigh in and help?
gandalfe
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Well, it looks like the police already ceded the legislature building to the protesters (who then trashed the building), so I don't expect they will now go with deadly force.
I honestly wonder what this means for China as a whole. If Hong Kong defies China they have to respond or, what, change? They don't want to change.
What happens if they start killing people, the protestors, in Hong Kong?
What happens if they start killing people, the protestors, in Hong Kong?
So you think China takes a loss on this?
The Thriller
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This might help a little:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/world/asia/hong-kong-china-handover.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/world/asia/hong-kong-china-handover.html
candrew
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I'm old enough to remember Tiananmen Square fairly vividly. I remember the tank dude. I remember the events DOMINATED the news cycle for weeks.
Why is this getting barely any play with 100X the number of news outlets? I realize it's not the same but it's similar enough. Do we not value freedom like we did in 1989?
Why is this getting barely any play with 100X the number of news outlets? I realize it's not the same but it's similar enough. Do we not value freedom like we did in 1989?
The Thriller
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Was Bush I begging for a handshake from Kim Jong Song in 89?
Let's not be so obtuse about our #1 domestic issue and pretend that he's not dominating the airwaves. Bush I was a, veteran, former CIA director, and former VP. You know, a "boring" president who actually knew stuff. He didn't tweet nonsense nonstop or have a background in reality tv.
Hell, just a few years ago under Obama, "normal" news stories about China and the Middle East would've gotten a lot more coverage than they would today with Trump dominating the news cycle.
China has bought in on US media, and uses its power to calm our reporting.
Just one more aspect of Agenda 21 driving downtown traffic outta town in favor of less aggressive traffic and speech.
Hong Kong protesters will be docked good citizenship points and access to social media and mass transit, and carefully tracked, and quietly detained and re-educated, or cut up and sold for spare parts.
Just one more aspect of Agenda 21 driving downtown traffic outta town in favor of less aggressive traffic and speech.
Hong Kong protesters will be docked good citizenship points and access to social media and mass transit, and carefully tracked, and quietly detained and re-educated, or cut up and sold for spare parts.
Grimmetal
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Part of it is too much noise these days. We hear about every little event that happens around the world. Venezuela. Hong Kong. Sudan is going through protests as well with ten deaths in the past few days. Do you remember the Paris protests? There's so much NOISE through the news and social media that it's getting harder to focus on what these events mean, much less what is actually going on.
The Thriller
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Awww yes, the Chinese Boogie Man is at it again! China has bought our media (despite the largest media providers: Sinclair, Fox News, and CNN being owned by Americans and an Australian). But sure, why let facts get in the way of a fact free conispiracy? China has bought of climate scientists. You know, cuz climate change is a Chinese hoax.
China just seems to dominate everyone and everything!
China just seems to dominate everyone and everything!
The Thriller
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This is another huge factor. Back in 1989 you didn't have Fox News, smart phones, and social media.
You had the 3 big networks, CNN, and the radio.
candrew
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I don't mean who is President now as opposed to then - while valid, it's a separate point.
I meant just the American people in general. In the late 80's you had the Berlin Wall, you had Glasnost - the American people felt like they were "winning" as these events unfolded - now no one seems like no one GAF.
Just an observation really.
The Thriller
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Yeah I hear you.
Maybe Americans are losing their attention span? I've noticed a seemingly diminished curiosity about the world in just the past 10-15 years. What would've concerned millions of Americans just a decade ago is merely shrugged at today.
massive denial syndrome.
Chinese investment in Hollywood, in many US companies(and others worldwide) can reasonably be expected to bear influence proportional to the power that goes with it, much like British investment in Utah mining (Rio Tinto) or any other significant investment anywhere owned by anyone carries influence. US international corporates have, according to the Marxist anti-capitalist press, carried influence all over the world.
In fact, it's an open question now, in the dawn of globalism, just who owns who the most.
rants off the rails just make you look like an idiot, bro.
when I heard about these demonstrations, as one who knew a little about the Philippines and Pres. Ferdinand Marcos.... and as one who actually met Benigno Aquino and Corazon Aquino as well, I immediately thought of the protests that brought down Marcos. People filled the streets, stood up to soldiers and tanks..... and the soldiers didn't have the stomach for it. They laid down their weapons and joined the protest.
Today, there is a very large filipino populace in Hong Kong.... almost all the service folks.
The glaring traditional Chinese tyrant syndrome that claims there are virtually no human rights is going to have to be softened up a bit. That is part of what Trump is standing up for in the negotiations with Xi. Rule of Law.
I have actually known a lot of Chinese folks in business and otherwise. I'm not a General Stillwell by any means, but I do get to talk to a few people who have access to the Chinese leadership.
Xi is a classic Chinese leader. And while he thinks Mao was a great leader, just like our David Rockefeller sort or like, say a Maurice Strong sort of globalist, he has a bureaucracy that is potent and insisting on being relevant.... just like Trump can't just ignore our own bureaucracy.
Trumps "MAGA" slogan is a mere echo of the kind of Chinese nationalist, pride, or outright racist superiority complex that has been running China for decades. There is definitely the agenda to assert whatever new influence they can manage, everywhere on planet earth.
But Chinese culture respects the long game, disrespects imprudent haste and stupid blunders.
The real decision on how to handle Hong Kong protests will probably emerge outta the bureaucracy, where the first consideration will be job security in the long run.
